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FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:23 AM Oct 2015

UNRWA employees suspended for inciting violence against Israelis on Facebook

After ignoring past reports, the UN finally took action against its own employees inciting violence against Israel on social media. The United Nations suspended several UNRWA employees after UN Watch exposed that they were inciting violence against Israelis and Jews on social media.

The suspensions came UN Watch published a report giving 10 specific examples of UNWRA employees calling for violence publicly on Facebook.

UNRWA spokseman Chris Gunness recently railed out against UN Watch's allegations, claiming they were making "baseless allegations about anti-semitism" and appealed to journalists to ignore the report.

However, now Gunness's fears seem to have come true as UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon on Thursday announced that the UNRWA staff members inciting anti-Semitic and anti-Israel violence on Facebook "have been subject to both remedial and disciplinary action, including suspension and loss of pay."

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UN-suspends-UNWRA-employees-for-inciting-violence-against-Israelis-on-Facebook-429896
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UNRWA employees suspended for inciting violence against Israelis on Facebook (Original Post) FBaggins Oct 2015 OP
I am shocked SHOCKED to find gambling going on here. iandhr Oct 2015 #1
I am shocked to find UNWRA do anything about it 6chars Oct 2015 #3
I'm shocked too. Of course, they're trying to keep this very low key. n/t shira Oct 2015 #13
such people get cabinet appointments in Israel if the targets of their incitement and bigotry geek tragedy Oct 2015 #2
And it's different with Hamas or the PLO? FBaggins Oct 2015 #5
The reality is that the UN has to hire people locally to deliver services. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #6
... and they have to fire people whose beliefs are antithetical to achieving their mission. FBaggins Oct 2015 #7
it's amazing anyone in Gaza is able to keep their shit together nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #9
Are you excusing this horrendous UN incitement to murder innocents? shira Oct 2015 #23
so it's up to UNRWA to pursue peace with Israel azurnoir Oct 2015 #10
Well... it's everyone's job to purse peace. But that wasn't the point FBaggins Oct 2015 #11
that's about the coldest comment I have ever read here, do you include the 530+ dead children too? azurnoir Oct 2015 #12
You may have missed this post. grossproffit Oct 2015 #16
No you and another poster have been calling out the poster on numerous occasions azurnoir Oct 2015 #19
Alerting is for the weak. grossproffit Oct 2015 #22
so you prefer repeated call outs? azurnoir Oct 2015 #26
It isn't cold... I'm just blaming the people who actually wanted them to die FBaggins Oct 2015 #17
really you said they (the people that died did because they listened to Hamas azurnoir Oct 2015 #18
I have no idea how that made sense to you when you typed it FBaggins Oct 2015 #20
your quote "They were told. Over and over and over again. They listened to Hamas instead. " azurnoir Oct 2015 #21
Looks like you believe UN employees who want Jews dead.... shira Oct 2015 #24
It looks like you use Jews and Israeli's quite interchangeably azurnoir Oct 2015 #25
None of those UN employees are calling for the killing of random Israelis.... shira Oct 2015 #27
nor were they calling for the killing of random Jews azurnoir Oct 2015 #28
Bullshit. Of course they are. shira Oct 2015 #30
so they were calling for the killing of Jews in Brooklyn or Omaha that would be random Jews azurnoir Oct 2015 #32
Show us evidence they want to kill non-Jews as well. n/t shira Oct 2015 #34
show us where they called for killing as MEMRI says anywhere save Israel azurnoir Oct 2015 #35
The call is to kill Jews in Israel, not throughout the world... shira Oct 2015 #37
the title of your link says the video's no longer exist and that they were posted by Hamas not UNRWA azurnoir Oct 2015 #40
wonder how many of those local people in Gaza lost a child or wife or husband or sister or brother azurnoir Oct 2015 #8
Happens to Israeli terror victim families too. Would you understand their desire.... shira Oct 2015 #43
There is no one in the Cabinet calling for or cheering on death to Arabs. shira Oct 2015 #14
does Ayelet Shaked still have a job? azurnoir Oct 2015 #29
She doesn't do that either. But nice try. n/t shira Oct 2015 #31
Really she didn't? does "little snakes" ring a bell? azurnoir Oct 2015 #33
You mean the episode where she's falsely accused of calling for genocide? n/t shira Oct 2015 #36
Falsely? she posted an essay on FB that called for just that commenting azurnoir Oct 2015 #38
No she didn't. Neither did she call Palestinians snakes. n/t shira Oct 2015 #39
yes she did and it was Palestinian kids that were being referred to azurnoir Oct 2015 #42
Prove it. Where does she call for genocide? shira Oct 2015 #44
Thank you here ya go a translation from her FB page now proIsrael pundits azurnoir Oct 2015 #45
Kindly point out this call for genocide. n/t shira Oct 2015 #46
my reply was to "There is no one in the Cabinet calling for or cheering on death to Arabs" I did azurnoir Oct 2015 #47
But she doesn't call for or cheer on death to Arabs. In fact, she responded... shira Oct 2015 #48
Good. UN Watch is on the ball. I appreciate their hard work. grossproffit Oct 2015 #4
Glad you're back and posting here again. n/t shira Oct 2015 #15
Well I guess it's a start, but what now? n/t Little Tich Oct 2015 #41
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. such people get cabinet appointments in Israel if the targets of their incitement and bigotry
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

belong to the disfavored ethnic group.

Obviously not acceptable for people taking a check from the UN to wallow in bigotry and incitement.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
5. And it's different with Hamas or the PLO?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

Many US officials had little nice to say about the Japanese during WWII (and vice-versa). That's hardly a surprise in a deadly conflict.

The difference is that the UN's role isn't supposed to be adversarial. They certainly aren't supposed to be cheerleading the insane behaviors that cause so many of the refugee problems in the first place.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
7. ... and they have to fire people whose beliefs are antithetical to achieving their mission.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:27 PM
Oct 2015

You're clearly not supporting their human development if you're telling them to commit terrorist acts.

Surely there exist enough locals with some semblance of sanity to staff the agency? If not... there's little point it pursuing peace.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
23. Are you excusing this horrendous UN incitement to murder innocents?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:53 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sat Oct 24, 2015, 08:57 AM - Edit history (1)

You think it's so bad for Palestinians, it's no wonder this is happening?

In the real world there's FAR worse happening to millions of people. Victims being constantly butchered (think Syria), raped (Darfur), and sold as slaves elsewhere (Mauritania) who'd love to be as oppressed as the Palestinians are by Israel. And yet, we don't see those millions of victims attacking & killing random innocent people - calling for genocide of an entire race or ethnicity. We certainly don't see good people giving victims elsewhere justification for attacking innocents. Or understanding how desperate these other millions of victims are so that they have little choice but to murder random people.

Your remark in #9 actually incites more violence against innocents. Think about it.

It's also racist. As if Palestinians - of all people on the planet - cannot help but be murderers of innocents. That's the racism of low expectations.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
11. Well... it's everyone's job to purse peace. But that wasn't the point
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:13 PM
Oct 2015

I'm saying that if the UN can't find anyone able to do the job without fomenting terrorism, then the only "peace" to be found is on the other side of war.

2300 dead Gazans should have been told

They were told. Over and over and over again. They listened to Hamas instead.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. that's about the coldest comment I have ever read here, do you include the 530+ dead children too?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:19 PM
Oct 2015

FBaggins
11. Well... it's everyone's job to purse peace. But that wasn't the point
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I'm saying that if the UN can't find anyone able to do the job without fomenting terrorism, then the only "peace" to be found is on the other side of war.

2300 dead Gazans should have been told

They were told. Over and over and over again. They listened to Hamas instead.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134116196#post11

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. No you and another poster have been calling out the poster on numerous occasions
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:08 PM
Oct 2015

does that mean the alert failed?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. really you said they (the people that died did because they listened to Hamas
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

sounds like victim blaming to me

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
21. your quote "They were told. Over and over and over again. They listened to Hamas instead. "
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:45 PM
Oct 2015

how pray tell does Hamas listen to itself?


FBaggins
11. Well... it's everyone's job to purse peace. But that wasn't the point
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I'm saying that if the UN can't find anyone able to do the job without fomenting terrorism, then the only "peace" to be found is on the other side of war.

2300 dead Gazans should have been told

They were told. Over and over and over again. They listened to Hamas instead.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134116196#post11

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. None of those UN employees are calling for the killing of random Israelis....
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:04 PM
Oct 2015

They're specifically calling for the murder of Jews.

You think they're being treated unfairly, right? Are they victims in your view?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
32. so they were calling for the killing of Jews in Brooklyn or Omaha that would be random Jews
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:14 PM
Oct 2015

your use of Jews and Israeli interchangeably is a a tactic meant to incite IMO

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
37. The call is to kill Jews in Israel, not throughout the world...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

Stay focused.

Here's video of incitement to kill Jews:
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.679435

Doesn't look like incitement to kill "Israelis".

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
40. the title of your link says the video's no longer exist and that they were posted by Hamas not UNRWA
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:48 PM
Oct 2015

YouTube Removes Inciting Videos Portraying Murder of Jews, at Israel's Request
Hamas uploaded one video dramatizing stabbing death of two Jews, while cartoon reenacted murder of Eitam and Naama Henkin in West Bank.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.679435

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. wonder how many of those local people in Gaza lost a child or wife or husband or sister or brother
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:04 PM
Oct 2015

or mother or father in last years exercise in Israel 'defending' itself?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
43. Happens to Israeli terror victim families too. Would you understand their desire....
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 12:05 AM
Oct 2015

....to kill random innocent Palestinians in retaliation?

They also lose children, wives, husbands sisters, brothers, mothers, and fathers.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
38. Falsely? she posted an essay on FB that called for just that commenting
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

it should be taken to heart or seriously

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
42. yes she did and it was Palestinian kids that were being referred to
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

the essay was not her original work but she posted it, agreeing with it and promoting it

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
44. Prove it. Where does she call for genocide?
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 12:06 AM
Oct 2015

And posting an article doesn't mean you agree with everything in it.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
45. Thank you here ya go a translation from her FB page now proIsrael pundits
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 12:41 AM
Oct 2015

spun themselves dizzy trying to us this purple is really yellow

An article by URI elitzur, a shelved late written 12 years ago. Relevant today as it was then: "the Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we need to fight back.
No operation, no rolling, and low intensity and controlled escalation, rather than destroying the terrorist infrastructure, and Israeli targeted killings. Enough to Dim up the names. This is a war. Words have meaning. This is a war. Rather than counter-terrorism and war on extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. Both these forms of evasion from reality. This is a war between the two Nations. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? You ask him, he started.

I don't know why is it so hard for us to set the simple words in the language to put at our disposal. Why do we have to invent every two weeks a new name for this war, and not to call her by name. What's so shocking in understanding that all the Palestinian people is the enemy. All war is between two peoples and the people who launched war on war, in its entirety, is the enemy. Declaration of war is not a war crime. Certainly not a war. Rather than using the word "war" and a clear definition of the enemy. Vice versa. Morality of war (and this) is based on the assumption that the world wars, and war is not normal, and usually fights with the enemy who disobeys the orders of his elders and pay its way, and its fruit, and tshtiotav property.

And morality of war know it is impossible not to harm the citizens of the enemy. He condemns the British air force bombed and destroyed completely the German Dresden and u.s. jets destroyed the cities of Poland and ravaged half of Budapest residents, miserable places that never were bad for America, but had to destroy them in order to win the war against evil. Morality of war don't read prosecute Russia explosion and destroys the towns and neighborhoods in Chile. He denounced the peace forces or killed hundreds of civilians in Angola, and the NATO bombing of Belgrade, Milosevic's City million Iranians, old men and women and infant children. The war has to be correct in principle, not just politically, what did America in Afghanistan, including bombs of populated localities, including the creation of refugees of hundreds of thousands of people who fled the fighting, and thousands of them left home to return to.

And it's true that our battle is that enemy soldiers are hiding within the population, and only because of the support they can fight. Behind a dozen men and women, standing, without which he could not have been too bad. Participants in the programs in mosques, authors of the murderous plans, sponsors, suppliers, car shelter, and give due respect and support morlit. All the enemy fighters and bleeding in the head. It's also the mothers of the martyrs, that send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They need to follow them, there's nothing in it. They need to go, and the physical House which they raised the snake. Other small snakes grow more.

But the week's festivities and respect both houses of two murderers vile. I guess they where mourning tents, and the city come to pay my respects to my mom and dad raised the devil. The two houses need to bomb from the air, to destroy and to kill. And we have to explain that from now on every home of a martyr. There is nothing right and probably not even that useful. Each bomber should have known he was taking with him both his parents and his home and neighbors. All UM Jihad hero that sends her son to hell needs to know that she's going with him. Along with the House and all that.

The list cannot be focused. That's war. What is thwart focused preventive and unfocused. We opened this naughty war we could not finish it. The key to a ceasefire in the hands of the Palestinian people. We can only burn their fingers until you want to use them. " (Translated by Bing)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5269479

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
47. my reply was to "There is no one in the Cabinet calling for or cheering on death to Arabs" I did
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:28 AM
Oct 2015

so you adjust the goal posts to genocide quite a difference

shira (26,501 posts)
14. There is no one in the Cabinet calling for or cheering on death to Arabs.

Good try.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=116257

now I am done you're welcome to the last word here

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
48. But she doesn't call for or cheer on death to Arabs. In fact, she responded...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:04 AM
Oct 2015
In a story headlined "Israeli Politician Declares War on the Palestinian People," Resnick actually suggested I compared Palestinian children to “little snakes,” and accused me of fomenting Palestinian genocide. This vilification was later picked up by several bloggers and reporters, all of whom were convinced of this frightening notion, without even a scrap of fact or truth.

Let's start with my July 1 Facebook post. It was written some 12 years ago, but never published, by a dear man, the recently departed journalist Uri Elitzur. The gist of his article was that once one side in a war attacks the other side's civilians, they can no longer morally claim a special status for their own civilians.

Go ahead, ask a Hebrew speaking friend to translate it for you, they'll confirm this is what my Facebook post was about. But you'll find not a trace of that in Resnick's account. Perhaps it's his own ignorance of the Hebrew language. After all, he got the text from Electronic Intifada, a website dedicated to daily and hourly vilification of my country.

All Resnick had to do to make Elitzur's sober, legally minded discussion sound like a speech made by Hitler himself, was to cherry pick words out of context. A call for the indiscriminate killing of children is a terrible thing. But what if the statement was that any time you kill our children, you're exposing your own children to the same fate? Still unsettling, but rational when you consider that they purposely use their kids as human shields. It's not a call for indiscriminate murder.


http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Exposing-militant-leftist-propaganda-363062
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