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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:01 PM Nov 2015

Attack on rabbi seen as sign of unchecked Jewish extremist violence

Rabbi Arik Ascherman’s right middle finger is still bandaged from a recent confrontation in the West Bank, when a suspected Jewish extremist lurched at him with a knife, punching and kicking him.

Almost two weeks after the October 23 attack, when the liberal rabbi was helping Palestinians harvest their olive trees, no arrests have been made — part of what critics say is a culture of impunity for extremist settlers.

Palestinians say that Israel’s seeming inability to prosecute settlers accused of violence is a key factor in a nearly two-month wave of violence that shows no signs of slowing down.

Ascherman heads a group called Rabbis for Human Rights, which for more than a decade has been accompanying Palestinian farmers to their olive groves during the harvest season, when attacks by extremist settlers typically spike. While the presence of Israelis sometimes prevents violence, Ascherman said the attack on him shows how extremists — seemingly free from the threat of punishment — are often undeterred.

“We’ve created… a Frankenstein’s monster that’s turned on its creator,” said Ascherman as he stood this week among a group of Israeli volunteers and Palestinian farmers raking olives from trees.

The extremist settlers “believe that they are the lords of the land,” he added.

...

When Palestinians are asked about the roots of the current round of violence, they quickly mention the Duma case, noting that Israel swiftly — often within hours — apprehends suspected Palestinian attackers.

“It’s clear that the Israeli government doesn’t want to arrest the perpetrators or punish them or their families as it does with Palestinians,” said Abdelhaleem Dawabsha, the mayor of Duma and a cousin of the Palestinian family. “People here are concerned that the attack might happen again.”

...


A recent study of the 1,026 crime reports filed over the last decade, 940 were closed without indictments, mostly because police were unable to find a culprit. Only 75 indictments have been filed, according to the group. Most of the violence has been arson or damage to crops or trees, or incidents such as shootings, beatings, stone-throwing or assault with clubs or knives.

“The numbers that we see are grim and they don’t get any better,” said Neta Patrick, the head of Yesh Din. “Many (Palestinians)… don’t want to go to police and file a complaint because they don’t really believe in its ability to investigate and secure justice for them.”

Patrick said the impunity is only fueling more violence and allowing attacks to evolve, aimed not only against Palestinians but also against dovish Israelis who are helping Palestinians, like Ascherman.

Ascherman said he was attacked while accompanying Palestinians on an olive harvest that was coordinated and secured by police. A 2006 court decision requires Israel to protect Palestinians harvesting their land.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/attack-on-rabbi-seen-as-sign-of-unchecked-jewish-extremist-violence/

If people want to look for incitement, look no further.
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Attack on rabbi seen as sign of unchecked Jewish extremist violence (Original Post) geek tragedy Nov 2015 OP
Shoot on sight, and demolish his family home. n/t Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #1
That's the strangest video of assault with a knife.... shira Nov 2015 #2
Never happened ....right shira ? Israeli Nov 2015 #3
Hell, I'd like to believe that was a settler or hilltop youth... shira Nov 2015 #6
Who else would attack Israeli human right activists shira ....santa clause ?...nt. Israeli Nov 2015 #8
I would appreciate your attempt at critical thinking more if you were less one-sided. Little Tich Nov 2015 #4
If the guy wanted to hurt the Rabbi, he would have.... shira Nov 2015 #5
We'll never know, will we? Little Tich Nov 2015 #32
Never say never ..... Israeli Nov 2015 #36
I hope he gets a fair trial. Little Tich Nov 2015 #38
His lawyer is a story in itself Little Tich..... Israeli Nov 2015 #39
Tuvia Tenenbom wrote about Arik Ascherman... shira Nov 2015 #7
Again with Ben-Dror Yemini....... Israeli Nov 2015 #9
I have Tenenbom's book right beside me. Have you read it yet? n/t shira Nov 2015 #10
I have Karpin's book right beside me .... Israeli Nov 2015 #11
Interesting review of the book she is holding up as the "truth". lol Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #13
Thing is - Tenenbom dares those he criticizes in the book to sue him shira Nov 2015 #14
How do you sue someone for being a stupid hack? Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #15
LoL. It's easy to sue for defamation and slander. shira Nov 2015 #16
It is? Then link evidence of your claim, never heard of any attorney nor Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #17
Yawn... so boring. You should talk to Alona Kimhi about Tenenbom... shira Nov 2015 #18
You can't back it up, I understad your dilemma. You can't explain Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #19
Alona Kimhi of the insane far Left in Israel wants him dead. shira Nov 2015 #20
I don't know who that is nor do I give a shit. My post had nothing to do with that. You Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #22
I know who that is ..... Israeli Nov 2015 #30
Figues, David Horowitz's website..a racist rag. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #31
Israeli - even I have standards & it's not Plaut or FrontPage RAG..... shira Nov 2015 #33
Shira ...... Israeli Nov 2015 #37
Can you explain his critics in B'tselem having to fire a Holocaust denier.... shira Nov 2015 #21
Which once again, has nothing to do with YOUR statments in this thread that Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #23
The point is Tenenbom exposed Ascherman as a fraud in his book. shira Nov 2015 #24
No, Tenenbom CONVINCED YOU and that does not take much considering you Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #25
Tenenbom got B'tselem to reverse itself & shitcan a holocaust denier... shira Nov 2015 #26
Once again, this has NOTHING to do with your claims in this thread. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #27
Did u watch the video of the attack on the Rabbi? Looks legit to you? n/t shira Nov 2015 #28
shira, no one who knows your opinions doubts your support for Israel, no matter Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #29
Have you read his latest shira ? Israeli Nov 2015 #40
Rabbi Arik Ascherman interviewed by Amy Goodman for Democracy Now! Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #12
Teenager arrested for attack on Rabbis for Human Rights head shira Nov 2015 #34
Thanks for posting it. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #35
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. That's the strangest video of assault with a knife....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:18 PM
Nov 2015

Like, WTF?

Why doesn't the attacker - you know - actually attack the Rabbi with the knife or rock when he could have easily done so?

Why doesn't anyone step in to help, or try to chase the guy down? Hell, where'd the guy escape to? Parts unknown?

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
3. Never happened ....right shira ?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:15 AM
Nov 2015

All your worry and care for us Israelis is based on your own religious believes ...ie ...the land is ours.. ie....Judea and Samaria ...and the followers of a Greater Israel can do no wrong .

You only care about Jews as long as they hate the Palestinians as much as you do ....those of us that care about human rights are all liars and traitors ....right ?

Never happened ....

Least that is what those that think as you do are trying to perpetuate .......

From ' Rabbis for Human Rights '

YOUTUBE BASELESSLY REMOVES VIDEO OF RABBI ASCHERMAN’S ATTACK

02 November 2015

Youtube has removed the video of Rabbi Ascherman’s attack from where it was originally posted with the claim that it was “designed to harass, bully or threaten.” It had received over 150,000 views. Of course this is entirely false, and is most likely the result of a deliberate efforts by others to cover up the truth. We are appealing the removal.

However, the video can still be viewed here
Full account of the incident with additional photos
Click for a listing of the many media articles featuring the incident.

Source : http://rhr.org.il/eng/2015/11/youtube-baselessly-removes-video-of-rabbi-aschermans-attack/

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Hell, I'd like to believe that was a settler or hilltop youth...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:58 AM
Nov 2015

...but what gives you the impression it was a settler or jewish extremist - from the clothing alone?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
4. I would appreciate your attempt at critical thinking more if you were less one-sided.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:11 AM
Nov 2015

If you believed the attacker was a Palestinian, there would be absolutely no doubt of it being genuine...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
5. If the guy wanted to hurt the Rabbi, he would have....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:57 AM
Nov 2015

It looks staged.

Why doesn't anyone watching do anything to stop what could have been a murder? That should've been the first reaction, not just recording a murder as it unfolds. What kind of people just watch?

It appears totally fake. Waving the knife? Really bad acting...

Besides, you don't pay even a second's attention to video coming from pro-Israel sources. If this came from PMW or MEMRI and was showing a Palestinian waving a knife like this at an Israeli, you'd probably laugh hysterically at the theatrics. I can guarantee you the folks recording such an incident - if it were really life threatening - wouldn't just wait around being entertained until the attacker murders his victim, and then let him just run away.

Something stinks with the video of this incident & it's obvious to anyone with 2 eyes.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
32. We'll never know, will we?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:25 AM
Nov 2015

As soon as the attackers are presumed to be Jewish, the IDF won't even bother to look for them, like they did when the Dawabsha family was killed.

Anyway, the attacker does look a bit awkward, but there are many possible reason for that - the ground seems to be a bit uneven, and perhaps it's not actually a murder attempt, just an attempt to scare away the Rabbi. A knife-wielding Palestinian would of course have been shot and killed on the spot.

Anyway, who do I trust - Rabbis for Human Rights or you? RHR don't lie, and I perceive that you
harbour preconceived notions on the issue.

Sorry, RHR wins...

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
36. Never say never .....
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:24 AM
Nov 2015
Suspect Arrested in Attack on Rabbis For Human Rights Chief

Assailant was caught on video threatening Rabbi Arik Ascherman with a knife near settlement of Itamar; 17-year-old suspect confesses to assault and reenacts it.

Chaim Levinson Nov 08, 2015

A 17-year-old from the West Bank settlement of Itamar was arrested this weekend on suspicion of assaulting Rabbi Arik Ascherman, the president of Rabbis for Human Rights, two weeks ago. A video clip, showing an assailant brandishing a knife at Ascherman and hitting him near an outpost near Itamar, was viewed widely. 

The suspect, who is known to the police from involvement in previous incidents, confessed to the assault and reenacted it. A court ordered him held for an additional three days.
A search of his house after he was arrested turned up a knife like that seen in a video clip of the attack, a face mask, a military stun grenade, bullets and a slingshot. 


The teen’s attorney, Itamar Ben-Gvir, questioned the validity of his client’s confession, since it was made before he was allowed to consult a lawyer.

Ben-Gvir also termed it “regrettable that at a time of attacks on settlers,” the police unit in charge of anti-Arab hate crimes “is dealing with a case in which a leftist provocateur was provoking settlers and inciting Arabs to commit attacks, and instead of keeping him away, it’s harassing the Jews.” ........

The attack on Ascherman occurred on October 23, while he was accompanying Palestinians who were harvesting their olives near Itamar. The video clip shows a masked assailant beating him, throwing a rock at him and brandishing a knife at him. The assailant then fled the scene.

Ascherman said the harvest had been coordinated with the Israeli security services. As he was heading toward the site, which was close to an outpost near Itamar, he continued, he saw Israelis stealing olives from the grove, while a Palestinian who was with him saw another person torch some olives trees. Ascherman began walking toward the man whom he claims torched the trees, and that is when the assault took place, he said.

Source : http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.684839

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
38. I hope he gets a fair trial.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:32 AM
Nov 2015

I don't want him to get a slap on the wrist, but neither do I think he should be made an example of. He attacked another person with a knife, after all.

Fair trials are good for everyone, but it would be easier if he'd gotten a better lawyer.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
39. His lawyer is a story in itself Little Tich.....
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:58 AM
Nov 2015

Feel free to Google Itamar Ben-Gvir .......he is a well known Kahanist .

For those that cant be bothered I hope this helps :

How Israeli taxpayers subsidize 'Jewish terror'

Honenu, an organization that provides legal services to suspected terrorists, violent settlers and gives financial support to their families, receives tax-deductible donations in both Israel and the United States.

What do Yitzhak Rabin’s assassin, the murderers of Mohammed Abu Khdeir and the arsonists convicted of setting fire to Jerusalem’s Jewish-Arab Hand in Hand school have in common, apart from their violent extremism?

All have received legal representation or some other form of assistance from Honenu, a self-proclaimed “Israeli Zionist legal aid organization.” Based in Kiryat Arba, a settlement next to Hebron that is home to the grave of Jewish terrorist Baruch Goldstein (itself located in a park named after leader of the Kach terrorist group Meir Kahane), Honenu has tasked itself with a clear vision: to come to the aid of “[s]oldiers and civilians who find themselves in legal entanglements due to defending themselves against Arab aggression, or due to their love for Israel.” In Honenu’s eyes, they are defending “noble citizens” who have “acted on behalf of Am Yisrael [the people of Israel].”

To explore Honenu’s past and present client list of “noble citizens” is to read a timeline of some of the most heinous acts of Jewish terrorism in recent memory. Chances are that if you have read about a “price tag” attack, a violent assault on or killing of Palestinians by Jewish Israelis, or any other “ideological crime” of this nature in recent years, the perpetrators have been assisted in some way by Honenu.


The organization has fundraised for Yigal Amir, who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin in 1995. His wife has also received financial support from the group.

Yaakov Teitel, who murdered two Palestinians in 1997 and attempted to murder two Israelis with explosive devices in 2008, was represented by Honenu.

Ami Popper, convicted for the murder of seven Palestinians during the 1990s, is currently being assisted by Honenu.

The organization represented some members of the Bat Ayin Underground, who were convicted of attempting to blow up a Palestinian girls’ school in Jerusalem in 2002.

The three Israeli suspects in the murder of teenager Mohammed Abu Khdeir are represented by Honenu.

Honenu represented one of the Lehava members indicted for the arson at the Jewish-Arab Hand in Hand school in Jerusalem.

Honenu attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir is also representing Yinon Reuveni, the main defendant in the case of the burning of the Church of the Multiplication in the Galilee. Ben-Gvir chastized [Heb] Israeli authorities in that case for overreacting by treating it like a murder case.

(Activestills.org) The man on the right is wearing a T-shirt of Kach, which is a designated terrorist group both in Israel and the United States.

A quick look at Honenu’s website indicates that it is a very active organization. The organization claims that over 1,000 arrestees a year turn to it for legal help. That figure is not only indicative of the scale of the problem of settler violence in Israel-Palestine, but also speaks to the significant resources at the organization’s disposal.

Donations to Honenu from within Israel are tax-deductible, meaning that the organization is de facto subsidized by the government. Donations from the U.S. are funneled via a charity that has tax-deductible status, meaning that the organization also benefits from American taxpayers’ money.


It must be said that working to safeguard suspects’, criminals’ and even terrorists’ civil rights should not, in of itself, be condemned. Upholding the rule of law includes ensuring a fair judicial process for all, no matter how reprehensible the crimes involved are. +972 has previously reported on and denounced Israeli authorities for violating the rights of terrorism suspects, Jewish and Palestinian alike.

Nonetheless, there is massive difference between defending a criminal or terrorist’s rights and endorsing their crimes. The language used throughout Honenu’s website is inescapably supportive of the actions of Jewish terrorists — to call them “noble citizens” simply glorifies them and indirectly condones their actions. In the case of Abu Khdeir’s murderers, Haaretz cited Honenu as saying that it sees “defending these suspects [as] in keeping with its mission.”

Furthermore, Honenu’s work goes far beyond legal support. As exposed by Israel’s Channel 10 recently, providing financial support to convicts and their families forms a significant part of the organization’s mandate. According to the Channel 10 report, Honenu has provided financial support to, among others, the families of Ami Popper and the Bat Ayin Underground members.

In total, the report claims, Honenu has provided around NIS 200,000 directly to prisoners and nearly NIS 50,000 to their families. Israel’s own Foreign Ministry describes such financial support — when it is intended for Palestinian prisoners — as providing “a strong financial incentive” and “official stamp of approval” to terrorist attacks. By subsidizing Honenu with tax-deductible status, the Israeli government is essentially doing the same thing it condemns Palestinian authorities of doing.


For Benjamin Netanyahu to call the arson at the Church of the Multiplication “an attack on all of us” rings hollow as long as the state subsidizes an organization such as Honenu. Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi David Lau, who draws a state salary, declared that the same attack “contradicts the values of Judaism and human ethics” even as his state-sponsored predecessors declared it a “great mitzvah” to donate to Honenu.

With the focus on Jewish terrorism intensifying, the time has come start questioning the state subsidization of an organization that directly and indirectly commends violent attacks against Palestinians like the murder in Duma. Following Channel 10’s investigation, MK Manuel Trachtenberg of the Zionist Union called on Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon to revoke Honenu’s tax-deductible status. Whether the government does so or not will be a true test of its self-declared “zero tolerance” approach toward Jewish terrorism.

Source: http://972mag.com/how-israeli-taxpayers-subsidize-jewish-terror/109768/

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. Tuvia Tenenbom wrote about Arik Ascherman...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:24 AM
Nov 2015

In his book 'Catch the Jew' (best seller in Israel) Tenenbom exposed many of Israel's alleged "human rights" organizations, and to this day dares any one of them to sue him for defamation and slander. He recorded everything in real time, so he has the goods on these clowns.

One of these organizations is "Rabbis for Human Rights" headed by Rabbi Arik Ascherman. Ascherman sent Tenenbaum with the organization's field agents who thought he was speaking only German and English, therefore spoke in Hebrew and in Arabic, two languages Tuvia is fluent in. They tried hard to provide him with evidence of Israel's atrocities, but he wasn't buying it.

Tennebaum was having a hard time understanding people like Ascherman who tries to make Israel look like a monster wrapped in the title of "human rights". Tenenbaum wrote in his book that even Ascherman's wife gave up on him; the man, she explained, is not interested in the facts.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4565828,00.html

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
11. I have Karpin's book right beside me ....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:20 AM
Nov 2015
Murder in the name of God: the plot to kill Yitzhak Rabin

http://www.amazon.com/Murder-name-God-Yitzhak-Rabin/dp/1862072418

Like the OP said ....."" If people want to look for incitement, look no further. ""

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
13. Interesting review of the book she is holding up as the "truth". lol
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015
Catch the Jew!’ is a shoddy, fantastical answer to Max Blumenthal’s ‘Goliath’
David Mikics

snip* When Tenenbom actually allows himself to talk to a realist-minded Israeli liberal—not Levy, but Amos Oz—he becomes rather lost, even a little desperate. You sense that he doesn’t like Oz, but he has no real opportunity to score points off him. For Oz’s sermon is that separation between Israel and Palestine is the only way to eventual peace, and to this end Jews must make sacrifices. Those sacrifices—if the price is right—might even include uprooting Jews from Hebron, that center of Jewish history and Jewish memory, and giving up Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem. Here it is Tenenbom who lacks realism, for he seems to think that Jews must continue to populate the West Bank, since a peace deal isn’t coming anyway. This is a profoundly reckless point of view, because it means that Israel has no leverage, no way of safely making concessions in order to extract concessions from the other side. Is it really so important that Jews live in Sheikh Jarrah? Once upon a time it was supremely important that Jews live in the Sinai. It was the height of foolishness to give up those settlements, along with the Sinai’s rich oil fields. As it turned out, though, it was not so foolish.

Tenenbom is convinced that the West Bank must not become like Gaza and Jordan, places where no Jew is allowed to live. But, as he himself points out, Israelis already cannot travel in much of the West Bank, much less live in it (another fact you won’t discover by reading the mainstream press). Israel and Palestine are already well on the road to separation, and they are not about to turn around. Tenenbom wants to turn back the clock to the pre-Oslo era when Israelis and Palestinians interacted freely, and usually peacefully. But there is no going back. You can argue about who is responsible for the change, but the change happened. The future can only mean greater separation, and it is Israel’s task to turn this process to its strategic advantage, instead of fighting against it.

Tenenbom is usually tough on his interviewees, but he gives a free pass to Ayelet Shaked, the MK from Jewish Home. The party did badly in the recent elections, but only because their votes were siphoned off by Netanyahu, who spoke Jewish Home language when he promised there would be no Palestinian state under his watch. But when the right wing dreams about happy, reconciled Palestinians living under Israeli rule they are being just as fantastical as the radical left with their binational utopia. Last week, the right-wing dream won an election. And now the risk is not, as Tenenbom thinks, that Israel will give up everything to the Palestinians, but that it will give up nothing.

***

Tenenbom is at his best when he writes, “I don’t believe in ‘Death to the Arabs’ and I don’t believe in ‘Death to the Jews.’ ” But while Catch the Jew! amply features the “Death to the Jews” crew, the opposing team is almost invisible. Tenenbom chickens out on this one, much to his discredit. In an Israel where the prime minister laments the fact that too many Arabs are voting (and then apologizes), where Druze IDF soldiers have been beaten up for speaking Arabic, and where Death to Arabs is an increasingly visible slogan, how is it possible to see only anti-Jewish and not anti-Arab hatred?

The fact is that, for Tenenbom, anti-Arab prejudice simply isn’t worth mentioning. After all, he argues, Israeli Arabs have such good lives: They can go to excellent universities for free, and they even have the privilege of scorning their Jewish benefactors by calling them “the occupier”—like a well-known Israeli Palestinian singer whom Tenenbom interviews. And the Jews, born freiers, feel guilty about what they’ve done to the poor Palestinians—look at everything they’ve done for them! But there’s another side to the Israeli Arab story. President Reuven Rivlin’s brave campaign against anti-Arab racism is a response to a real and very disturbing phenomenon. It’s too bad that Tenenbom airbrushes it out of his account.

Tenenbom’s lack of concern for the actual problems of Palestinians goes along with a bizarre idolizing of them as proud, self-sufficient natives who can stand up for themselves, unlike us insecure Jews, who suffer from self-doubt the way Palestinians never do. He claims to love the generosity and friendliness of Palestinians, along with their patriotic willingness to say whatever will make their own cause look good—for example, that Israel is behind the flight of Palestinian Christians from the West Bank. For Tenenbom the Palestinians are the new Zionists. If old-time Zionism wanted to replace cringing, unmanly diaspora Jewry with a new model, the new model Jew has long since started to cringe again, apologizing for itself in front of—of all people—the Europeans. If only Israelis could become like Palestinians, Tenenbom seems to wish: proud and defiant.

We’re coming up to the most bizarre moment in Tenenbom’s book, where he directs a rhapsody of insults at the Jews, of which he himself is, of course, one, when he isn’t Tobi the German goy. “Personally,” he writes—gearing up for his cri de coeur—“I hardly get to meet conviction-driven Jews, say-what-I-think Jews, farming Jews, if-you-slap-me-on-one-cheek-I’ll-slap-you-on-both-your-cheeks Jews. The Jews I know are neurotic Jews, weak Jews, self-hating Jews, hate-filled-narcissist Jews, accept-every-blame Jews, bowing to all non-Jews Jews, ever guilt-ridden Jews, ugly-looking Jews, big-nosed and hunch-backed Jews, cold Jews, brainy Jews, yapping Jews, and here-are-both-my cheeks-and-you-can-slap-them-both Jews.”

After this litany, which comes late in Catch the Jew!, the cat is out of the bag: The reader now knows that European leftists alone are not responsible for Tenenbom’s psychic needs in regard to his people. This could be an interesting window to autobiography, if Tenenbom were actually interested in self-analysis. But he’s not. Tenenbom never asks himself what makes him see weakness everywhere in Jewish life, and why un-Jewishly “strong,” black-and-white convictions make him feel so good. He provokes only other people, never himself.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/189839/tuvia-tenenbom
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. Thing is - Tenenbom dares those he criticizes in the book to sue him
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:38 AM
Nov 2015

He has them all recorded on tape.

The far Left - from Israelis to NGO's to European humanitarian racists over there - are just as kooky and ridiculous as the rightwing elements.

It's so bad, Alona Kimchi of the insane Left over there called for Tenenbaum's death.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. How do you sue someone for being a stupid hack?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:42 AM
Nov 2015

Defamation does not cover how his conclusions/his opinions
came to be realized in his dopey mind.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. LoL. It's easy to sue for defamation and slander.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:45 AM
Nov 2015

Tenenbaum caught the morons being the idiots they are.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. It is? Then link evidence of your claim, never heard of any attorney nor
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:47 AM
Nov 2015

law professor make a claim that it's easy to sue for slander and be successful.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Yawn... so boring. You should talk to Alona Kimhi about Tenenbom...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:55 AM
Nov 2015

Ask her why she wants him dead.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. You can't back it up, I understad your dilemma. You can't explain
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:58 AM
Nov 2015

his critics on any front because if he isn't being sued, his opinion is
beyond reproach...according to you. lol

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. I don't know who that is nor do I give a shit. My post had nothing to do with that. You
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:20 PM
Nov 2015

could not defend your position in this thread with that moron who is a tool
for Israel by the critic's opinion I posted.

Moving the discussion to another critic is all you've got.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
30. I know who that is .....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

Quote shira ...

" Alona Kimhi of the insane far Left in Israel "
Alona Kimhi is Meretz .....same Meretz shira says she would vote for if she could ...

Do you know who Steven Plaut is Jefferson23 ?

Same place shira gets all her info from ...

re : http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/240436/israeli-leftist-demands-journalist-be-murdered-steven-plaut

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
31. Figues, David Horowitz's website..a racist rag.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nov 2015

Yea, I am sure she'd vote Meretz, her sources all point in that direction. lol

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
33. Israeli - even I have standards & it's not Plaut or FrontPage RAG.....
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:47 AM
Nov 2015
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/189839/tuvia-tenenbom

“It’s time to raise this Tenenbom to the stake. I have some friends in Lod who could do the dirty work and leave his body in the sands of Rishon.” That’s what Israeli author and Meretz party activist Alona Kimhi posted on her Facebook page when the gadfly journalist-provocateur Tuvia Tenenbom’s book Catch the Jew! was published in Hebrew. (She later claimed that she was only joking.)

Paunchy, prickly, and mercilessly sarcastic, a playwright as well as a gonzo journalist, Tenenbom was born an ultra-Orthodox Jew in Bnei Brak, but freed himself from religion when he moved to America as a young man. Despite Kimhi’s post Tenenbom the tummler is still around. If surviving death threats counts as a mark of journalistic excellence, Tenenbom can cut a notch on his iPhone. By other measures, though, his achievement looks more dubious.


As to Meretz, we've been over this before - and I'm glad you vote for a Zionist Party that includes some of my favorite peace activists like Amos Oz, David Grossman, and AB Yehoshua.

Your friends here would say Oz, Grossman, and Yehoshua are rightwing warmongers. Hell, your past Zionism friends don't think much of them either.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
37. Shira ......
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:36 AM
Nov 2015

I am 65 years old , have lived here all of my life and have been a Leftist since I was old enough to understand ......you have not fooled me since the day I joined here .

BTW ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134118278

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. Can you explain his critics in B'tselem having to fire a Holocaust denier....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:20 PM
Nov 2015

....who was the top Palestinian field reporter on staff?

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/10/05/israeli-human-rights-group-btselem-admits-holocaust-denier-in-ranks-video/

B'tselem denied it at first until Tenenbom provided video tape of it.



Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
23. Which once again, has nothing to do with YOUR statments in this thread that
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:22 PM
Nov 2015

the video of the Rabbi who works for RHR is a fake. Keep trying to change
the subject, it's all you've got.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
24. The point is Tenenbom exposed Ascherman as a fraud in his book.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:29 PM
Nov 2015

It was so bad Ascherman's response to Tenenbom was this lame letter:
http://rhr.org.il/eng/2014/09/rhr-responds-to-tuvia-tenenbom-uncovering-dark-secrets-or-making-groundless-accusations/

Which calls into question everything about Ascherman.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
25. No, Tenenbom CONVINCED YOU and that does not take much considering you
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:42 PM
Nov 2015

do not accept any human rights group reports...so who the fuck do you think
you're kidding?

Tenebom has an opinion, and the critic I posted, which you ran from is
from a professor who does not relate to the opinions of Gideon Levy nor
Max Blumenthal.

He is more centered and offers a critique that demonstrates in his
opinion with many examples, what a simple minded tool Tenebom is for
Israel.

The Rabbi offered a valuable response, that you reject it is no surprise..it's
what you do. You don't look for evidence, shira, you look for cover.

Rabbi Arik Ascherman
April 7, 2015 at 11:21 pm

People will believe what they want to believe. However, anybody with a modicum of objectivity has to ask how it could be that my written and videoed record over many years is so different than what Mr. Tenenbaum claims I said. Your are right that the question of pacifism is one of the more minor points, but easy to show that I am on record as believing something very different. Again, that kind of gross inaccuracy should lead a reasonable person to call into question anything for which Mr. Tenenbaum doesn’t have proof.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
26. Tenenbom got B'tselem to reverse itself & shitcan a holocaust denier...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

....who was their top field reporter.

The best they had! Reporting on "Jewish" crimes against humanity in the territories.

How do u convince yourself those reports are credible?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
27. Once again, this has NOTHING to do with your claims in this thread.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:52 PM
Nov 2015

You are misrepresenting what that guy's role was in B'Tselem, and you know it b/c you've
tried to defame B'Tselem time again based on the same exaggerations. The guy was fired, who also
did not write reports, so once again..you have nothing.

Tenebom has given you license to defame a Rabbi for human rights group, and
you're proud of it. lol


Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
29. shira, no one who knows your opinions doubts your support for Israel, no matter
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

what they do, no matter the critic. A good man like this Rabbi who has NO
history of lying and you do not believe him. It's just another day in I/P
land...it's what you do.

Where you failed is the critic I presented to you is in the center, and you
are clearly to his far right..just own already it.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. Rabbi Arik Ascherman interviewed by Amy Goodman for Democracy Now!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015
On October 26th 2015, Rabbi Ascherman was interviewed by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! following the release of a video of him being attacked by an Israeli extremist which went viral. Unfortunately, the satellite feed cut out midway through the interview.

TRANSCRIPT
This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.

AMY GOODMAN: We go now to Israel, where tension is continuing to mount over a string of recent Palestinian stabbing attacks and an intense Israeli government crackdown. Earlier today, Israeli forces shot dead a Palestinian man who the army said had stabbed and wounded a soldier at an intersection near the town of Hebron. A day earlier, Israeli border police shot and killed a 17-year-old girl. Police said the girl approached officers with a knife, but a witness told CNN the accused assailant was a terrified schoolgirl who raised her arms, saying, "I don’t have a knife." Since October 1st, at least 58 Palestinians have been shot and killed by Israelis at the scene of attacks or during protests in the West Bank and Gaza. Israeli police say 10 Israelis have been killed in Palestinian stabbings or shootings.

Meanwhile, video has gone viral of a masked Israeli settler armed with a knife attacking the co-founder of the group Rabbis for Human Rights, Rabbi Arik Ascherman. The incident took place after Rabbi Ascherman tried to film Israeli settlers setting Palestinian olive trees on fire in the West Bank village of Awarta outside of Nablus. The video shows the masked man grabbing a knife out of his back pocket, then repeatedly lunging at the 55-year-old rabbi, who was attempting to retreat. The masked man also kicked and punched the rabbi while making threatening gestures with the knife. The settler eventually ran away. Rabbi Arik Ascherman joins us now from Jerusalem, again, co-founder of Rabbis for Human Rights in 1988. For over a decade, the group has dispatched volunteers to protect the Palestinian olive harvest.

Rabbi Arik Ascherman, welcome to Democracy Now! First of all, how are you?

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: Well, I’m alive, so that’s a good start. And thank God. You know, there’s a traditional blessing that one blesses after having been saved from a very dangerous situation, in synagogue, and this last Shabbat, this last Saturday, I blessed that blessing, and then immediately took my turn, as we have different members, guarding the synagogue, because we’re also concerned about Palestinian violence. And that’s part of reality. And yet, somehow, we have to remember to stay human and to remember our humanity. And I think one of the things that many of our volunteers that come out to the olive harvest are so grateful for is, in the midst of all this craziness, reminding ourselves and everybody else that there really is another way.

AMY GOODMAN: Your right arm is bandaged. What happened?

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: Well, this is—you know, everything happened so fast, I just don’t know what happened. But apparently, for those of you who have seen the video, when I’m kind of being kicked at and having stones thrown at me and the—

AMY GOODMAN: Before you—before you tell us—

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: —knife being, you know, slashed at me—

AMY GOODMAN: Before you tell us that—

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: Yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: —explain exactly when this happened and what you were doing, talking about the olive harvest and where you were.

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: Sure. So, as you said, for some 13 years, Rabbis for Human Rights has been accompanying Palestinian farmers to get their olive trees. When we started back in 2002, we were being shot at, threatened. Several of our volunteers had their heads cracked open. It was very violent, with the security forces doing nothing. As a result of our High Court victory, Israeli High Court victory in 2006, the fact is that many farmers are getting to lands that they couldn’t get to for two, five, 10, even 15 years, and now, by court order, the army is protecting them to get to those places.

So on Friday, there was actually—the army was out there protecting farmers in a coordinated harvest to their trees right underneath the homes of some of the outposts belonging to be settlement of Itamar. After the harvest was finished—actually, the army actually shut it down quite early for some reason. From below, from far away, we saw Israelis coming to steal olives. We called the police. We called the army. An army unit eventually gets there, but the people escape. And in the next-over wadi, we see a fire break out. At that point, the army and police aren’t answering me anymore, or my Palestinian field worker, Zakaria Sadeh, who was the person who filmed the video you’ve seen. And so I went up to get a better standpoint, both to direct the security forces to get there and to film.

While I’m focused on these—some Israelis, and the fire is still quite far away, another masked Israeli surprises me from the side, pulls his knife, throwing large rocks at me, kicking. I’m also trying to protect the journalist that was with me, as you can see in the video. And at one point, because I’m trying to back down while facing him and it’s very steep, I do lose my balance. That’s probably how I broke my finger. And then I have no point—no choice but to engage him, because he could have easily crushed my head or stabbed me. I’m not exactly—my son knows much more about martial arts than I do, and I did everything wrong.

So, eventually, he was on top of me, and he could have killed me easily. And I’m wondering to this day why he didn’t, whether he just wasn’t a killer in his heart, at least not of Jews, whether he never intended to do anything but scare us, whether he was concerned about the cameras, or whether he had a moment of what we call tshuva, of hearing an inner call, that caused him at that last moment to make a change in his plans, or maybe even as our—this week’s Torah portion tells us the story of Abraham and Isaac, a voice in his head saying, "Don’t do it." But for some reason, although he could have murdered me easily, he instead ran away.

AMY GOODMAN: We can’t see if he’s speaking, because he has a black mask over his face, but what language was he speaking? Was he speaking to you? And what was he saying?

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: He was speaking Hebrew. He didn’t speak much. There wasn’t really a time for dialogue. I was saying to him, "You are desecrating God’s name. You’re desecrating the Torah." He’s saying, "How can you be wearing a kippah?"—a Jewish religious head covering—How dare—you know, get out of here. You shouldn’t be here," this kind of stuff. But mostly he was speaking with his knife and not with words.

AMY GOODMAN: If you—

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: But he was speaking Hebrew. He—

AMY GOODMAN: So can you explain, were Israeli security forces in the area? What would have happened if you had been a Palestinian?

RABBI ARIK ASCHERMAN: Well, I suspect, if I had been a Palestinian, things would have ended quite differently. I think—you know, who knows? But he had—

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/26/knife_wielding_israeli_settler_attacks_founder


Testimony of Rabbi Arik Ascherman, attacked by Jewish extremist armed with a knife


http://rhr.org.il/eng/2015/10/testimony-of-rabbi-ascherman-attacked-by-extremist-armed-with-knife/
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
34. Teenager arrested for attack on Rabbis for Human Rights head
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:21 PM
Nov 2015

Itamar youth confessed to attack on Rabbi Arik Ascherman last month, was charged with aggravated assault.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Teenager-arrested-for-attack-on-Rabbis-for-Human-Rights-head-432437

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