however they also should point to why a Palestinian state is necessary and perhaps why the suggestion that Palestinians should be resettled in the countries their camps are located in is really not a solution at all but could further the misery they already live in

They are from northern Israel - and that is where they expect to eventually return. What is now the Acre-Haifa area.

That aside, there is no reason why Lebanon needs to continue to discriminate against these Palestinians, the vast majority of whom were born in Lebanon and have lived there all their lives.

Work permits, the right to own property, and other basic rights ought to be extended to them regardless of what is going on with Israel.

and the Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon may have been born there but are they wanted there, it seems not as to where they're originally from would you say the same about Jews from other countries where they may face similar discrimination making aliyah to Israel? somehow I doubt it

Even if the lebanese gov was to do the right thing and give them citizenship and the other stuff oberliner mentioned, they could still emigrate to Palestine if it ever emerges.

of a state who unstable itself and hostile to them in any event rather than give them own state

The PA ambassador from Lebanon said so. I think he knows what he's talking about.

No higher ups in the PA have said otherwise.

would not automatically be citizens of a Palestinian state? Once again are Jews automatically citizens of Israel? My guess is that had Abbas said anything else you'd be accusing Abbas of inviting terrorists, but thanks you do prove my point about the ProIsrael ability to spin anything said by Abbas into something negative thanks

...citizens, as it couldn't happen all at one time. The news is that they won't take the refugees in at all.

Here's Abbas from August 2011...
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palpress.co.uk%2Farabic%2F%3Faction%3Ddetail%26id%3D17041

Abbas says in that article he's against Lebanon making refugees into citizens. He talks about full right of return for those refugees. Nothing about them eventually becoming citizens of a future Palestine.

here are some snips from the article

but to you that automatically means Israel as an alternative it could appear a Palestinian state is not even part of your lexicon, but that's not true, is it?

Affairs said just last week that Israel was deporting Sundanese asylum seekers to ensure the Jewish nature of Israel that will not be agreed to so a Palestinian state is the only alternative, and wasn't that interview a year old prior to the failed UN bid?

However it seems you would force a Palestinian population down the throats of a country does not want them, because they are all called Arabs, but it could line up with what Yishai said about Israel's Jewish nature

There's no point trying to hold Lebanon accountable for what they do. In fact, they can do whatever they wish. That's the progressive way. It's Israel's fault, not theirs. Nothing better can or should be expected from Lebanon. Israel yes, Lebanon no because they're like mentally challenged children. Besides, to blame Lebanon is to take "pressure" off Israel. It's just hasbara that keeps the occupation and settlements going.

...they could be like any of the other refugees who also became citizens of Lebanon and enjoy equal rights with other Lebanese citizens.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/04/680-more-gazans-become-egyptian.html

You'll see most refugees want citizenship in the countries where they were born.

So why aren't you advocating for the civil rights of Palestinian refugees who choose to be citizens where they were born? You said you're concerned about their civil rights.

and if they would really prefer to stay in Lebanon I guess that kind of delegitimizes the claim of the 'conspiracy' to flood Israel with nonJews,

it? If this is true of Lebanon, why not Israel? Could it be because they're all Arabs, could seems you have a thing for ethnic purity or something? however thanks for this, you keep it up now hear

And what about Israel?

Are you suggesting they all go to Israel b/c Israel treats Palestinians better than any other mideast nation?

that you think the West Bank is already Israel, or your reading comprehension is off or something?

You're not giving them a 'choice' at all.

They're not wanted in the W.Bank.

They are not going to Israel.

You're still talking fantasy.

the Palestinians in Lebanon have never had a chance to assimilate since they've been cooped up within camps with laws limiting their integration into the society.

Perhaps if Lebanon would allow the Palestinians unlike most other arab countries to integrate within their country that would alleviate the discrimination...as we see what has happened in other western countries.

what for sure doesn't work is to keep a group isolated within certain specific areas, use laws to limit their freedom and then be "surprised" that they are not wanted.
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but thats not the issue with you is it....as we've discovered recently. Your more of the "do what ever it takes to keep the Palestinians angry about their lives, to right a 'wrong." ..and if that means putting off giving them civil rights (your words), then that too is fine.

like the arab countries and others, if there is a choice between having the Palestinians resettled and start a new life based on civil rights or languishing in camps, (in limbo), to one day return to their Palestine you prefer the latter...(sure sounds like the rw nationalism to me-nationalism being more important than civil rights)

what is clear is that you'd rather keep Palestinians in a country where they are clearly not wanted rather than allowing them their own country, never had a chance to assimilate? sort of like Jews never had a chance to assimilate in Poland and Russia to name a couple of places because they were kept in separate communities and not allowed to work in certain professions and where they subject to violence at the hands of the populace? interesting

i thought the UNs job as well as all the nice progressives was to put pressure on countries like Lebanon to make sure the Palestenains get the civil rights they deserve.

am i to understand you correctly that because jews lived in Ghettos so many years ago, the Palestenians who live in Lebanon without civil rights, is acceptable and there is no real need to spend precious resources to attempt to change that?

sure seems to be an interesting position.

i don't see the conflict in Palestinians having full civil rights/citizenship while living in Lebanon and one day if the PA/Hamas permits the can return to their state.....perhaps you would like to explain it?

particularly from when Palestinians fled the Black September fighting in Jordan.

Here is the breakdown:

38% - Acre area
30% - Safed area
10% - Haifa area
9% - Nazareth area
8% - Tiberias area

That's a total of 95% from what is now northern Israel.

And 80% of them expect to return to those locations.