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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:53 PM Dec 2015

Israeli Authors, Politicians Blast Move to Ban Novel on Arab-Jewish Romance From Schools

Source: Haaretz

Education Ministry disqualified novel describing love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools for 'threatening Jewish identity.'

Israeli writers and politicians roundly criticized the Education Ministry's decision to ban a novel that describes a love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools around the country. Israeli author Sami Michael said that the decision constitutes "a dark day for Hebrew literature," while author Haim Be'er called the move "a dizzying and dangerous act."

Among the reasons stated for the disqualification of Dorit Rabinyan’s “Gader Haya” (literally “Hedgegrow,” but known in English as “Borderline”) is the need to maintain what was referred to as “the identity and the heritage of students in every sector,” and the belief that “intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.” The Education Ministry also expressed concern that “young people of adolescent age don’t have the systemic view that includes considerations involving maintaining the national-ethnic identity of the people and the significance of miscegenation.”

"This is none of [Education Minister] Naftali Bennett's business," Be'er said. "Tomorrow he will disqualify 'Behind the Fence' because Bialik's hero falls in love with a Christian and he'll create a committee to monitor relationships in literature. This is a dizzying and dangerous act that he's doing in order to find support in his crowd after he praised the Shin Bet and his stock went down, that's clear."

A.B. Yehoshua, another Israeli novelist, said "The book 'Borderline' is a great, deep book written in rich and emotional language that has already earned a wide audience and critical acclaim. The book also tells the tragedy of relationships between Israelis and Palestinians. 

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Does Alabama ban books that discuss miscegenation?
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:29 AM
Dec 2015

P.S. A Muslim man can marry a Jewish woman, or a Jewish man, in Alabama. Not so in Israel.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. Straight out of the Lehava playbook
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:09 AM
Dec 2015

There were rumors that LeHava was about to be declared a terrorist group but as of yet nothing of the sort has happened

In January 2015 Channel 2 reported that Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon may be preparing to categorize Lehava as a terrorist organization. Ya'alon was reported to have ordered the Shin Bet and the Defense Ministry to assemble evidence required for the classification. Three members of Lehava were arrested and indicted in 2014 for committing arson and spray-painting anti-Arab graffiti at the Max Rayne Hand in Hand: Center for Jewish Arab Education in Israel (Yad B’Yad) Bilingual School in Jerusalem, and Lehava's leader, Ben Zion Gopstein, along with other group members were arrested shortly thereafter for incitement. The arson incident received international attention. Reuters reports that government action against Lehava has only come following months of petitioning by "left-leaning Israelis and media commentators." In response, Gopstein issued a statement harshly critical of Ya'alon: "I suggest that [Ya’alon] aim to outlaw the Islamist Movement and then preoccupy itself with an anti-assimilation group… Instead of taking care of an enemy of Israel, the defense minister is trying to win over votes from the Left [by] taking on Lehava. The group acts to save the daughters of Israel [Jewish women] and deserves the Israel Prize.”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehava

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
4. Disgusting
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:17 AM
Dec 2015

Hopefully, this will lead to lots of people buying and reading this book in protest or just curiosity - censorship attempts often have this effect.

'The Education Ministry also expressed concern that “young people of adolescent age don’t have the systemic view that includes considerations involving maintaining the national-ethnic identity of the people and the significance of miscegenation.” '

They should be called the Ignorance Ministry rather than Education Ministry, until they replace the racist nutters.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
6. Borderlife is a novel I probably wouldn't normally read, but if it's banned, it's got to be good for
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 06:37 AM
Dec 2015

something.

I read the Satanic Verses and Last Exit to Brooklyn just because they were banned, and I think I learnt something from reading them. Last Exit to Brooklyn was definitely a pleasant surprise.

So, Borderlife or anything else by Dorit Rabinyan will definitely be on my reading list.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
5. More coverage of this story
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:59 AM
Dec 2015
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/education-ministry-bans-book-about-love-bet-arab-man-and-jewish-woman/2015/12/31/

Dorit Rabinyan, the author of “Hedge,” told Channel 2 News that the ministry’s decision was an ironic meeting between fiction and reality. “The book deals with precisely this fear,” Rabinyan said. “There is an irony of fate in the fact that a book that deals with the Israeli fear of assimilation and disappearance in the Arab region in which we exist was rejected in the very manner of its central theme.”

6chars

(3,967 posts)
9. I don't think the author of the book is Kahanist
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:47 AM
Dec 2015

You are just name calling because you have nothing else to say.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. you're quoting the Jewish version of stormfront.org on an article re: miscegenation.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:11 PM
Dec 2015

Here's what they have to say about President Obama:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=obama+site:jewishpress.com

Here's a real gem:

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/guest-blog/transfer-still-the-only-solution/2014/07/23/

Until the Jewish people loudly resurrect Rabbi Kahane’s message, we will be forced to consume the poison fruit of Oslo. Likud leaders will continue the path of Labor. Looking for moderates where there are none. Lacking the courage to destroy Abbas and his beasts rather than arming and funding them. Lacking the resolve to end the treason of Oslo. Transferring the Arabs can be done humanely, if they wish it to be so. But they cannot remain. We are at a critical historical juncture.



The left will cry racism. Challenge their assertions of racism and turn it on them. We wish to throw out the enemy; they would do so (and have) to Jews. Transfer has nothing to do with race, or blood, or Arabs for that matter. Numerous examples in history abound where countries expelled dangerous elements. The Poles and the Czechs expelled 12 million ethnic German after World War II. They didn’t care what the world thought of them. It can be done.



Furthermore, it is the requirement of the Halacha. The Torah’s notion of transfer is one of survival, knowing that hostile populations cannot remain without threatening the physical/spiritual integrity of the Jewish society. Transfer is applied to hostile gentiles who refuse to accept the Torah’s halachic requirements as gertoshav-that is, a resident stranger. Naturally, the laws of the resident stranger is a complex halachic discussion and there are different rabbinical opinions on the matter. Nevertheless, the category exists and remains the sole criteria for the righteous gentile to remain. The Arabs are not resident strangers, nor do they wish to be. They have different tactics at times, but the goal of Israel’s destruction remain the same. Hence the Chillul Hashem of Arab MK Zoabi in a “Jewish” Knesset. A woman who hates the State of Israel and openly supports Arab terror against Jews.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
10. Interesting. I would have thought that a website like Jewish Press would've been more critical
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:49 AM
Dec 2015

of an issue like miscegenation. My low opinion of Jewish Press still stands, though.

Response to Little Tich (Reply #10)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. So your claim is that the Orthodox community is comprised of batshit crazy Lehava types?
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:12 PM
Dec 2015

Because that's all that shitstain of a website offers.

Only a rancid rightwing bigoted nutjob would find it of any merit.

We know what it is, despite your apologia for that hate rag.

Jewishpress.com = Lehava= the KKK

http://www.jewishpress.com/tag/lehava-fighting-assimilation/

Haredi leaders who’ve been spending so much time and energy to prevent Haredi youth from being drafted into the IDF now have a new hole to plug: a report in Kikar Hashabbat suggests that dozens of Haredi seminary students are seduced by Arab men. One of several organizations in Israel combating the problem is Lehava (Hebrew acronym: to prevent assimilation in the Holy Land), one of whose activists, M (full name not published for his safety), 42, shared his experiences with the website.


More:

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/guest-blog/mahmud-loves-moral/2014/08/18/0/?print

You can see their general Trump/Cruz extreme rightwing viewpoint on display in their editorial page:

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/editorial/

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/editorial/obamas-npr-interview-again-the-race-card/2015/12/23/
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/editorial/jerry-nadlers-unforgivable-decision/2015/08/26/


http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/editorial/the-dismaying-mr-nadler/2015/02/04/



6chars

(3,967 posts)
14. That certainly seems to be your claim, not mine
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:39 PM
Dec 2015

I just posted a quote from the author of the book that criticize the government. You are searching through guest blogs going back several years to find some crazy shit on other topics and then accusing me first of being a Lehava type, and then accusing me of saying all Orthodox are. The only thing that seems to be going on here is you want to accuse me of shit. This from someone who seems familiar enough with Stormfront to make comparisons.

What do you think about the author's comment?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. it's spot on, but the mindset she's describing is not limited to Jews of course.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:08 PM
Dec 2015

It's very similar to the white nationalist preaching the danger of immigrants destroying white American culture, etc etc.

Jewishpress.com is a Kahanist/Lehava type publication for Kahanist/Lehava tupe of readers. Its ideology combines the worst aspects of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.

It is grossly inappropriate to use as a source on a progressive website, no different than citing davidduke.com

As anyone can see from the writings of their editorial board.

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/editorial/

here's a piece the STAFF of the Jewishpress.com website wrote, displaying their horrific homophobia while explicitly complaining that gay New Yorkers were getting protected against discrimination:


http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/criminalizing-our-religious-beliefs/2003/06/13/

Criminalizing our Beliefs

By Jewish Press Staff

On December 17, 2002, the New York State Senate passed the Sexual Orientation Non-Discrimination Act, known as SONDA, or Bill S720. What is the impact of this bill on Orthodox and traditional families?

Section One of the bill states that discrimination based on sexual orientation “menaces the institutions and foundation of a free democratic state and threatens the peace, order, safety and general welfare of the state and its inhabitants.”

Orthodox Jews who believe, as taught in the Bible, that homosexuality is an “abomination” are thus rendered bigots in the eyes of the state. Indeed, already in Canada and much of Europe, merely quoting the biblical prohibition against homosexuality is considered a hate crime.

America used to be different, but as gay rights bills proliferate, there is a real question of how much longer religious freedom will prevail. Pennsylvania’s gay rights bill explicitly challenges the right of the clergy to oppose homosexuality in the pulpit; other gay rights bills do so implicitly.

When Bob Jones University in Virginia discriminated against blacks for religious reasons, the Supreme Court ruled that the school had forfeited its tax exemption. The government recognizes only those charities that do not discriminate against the cardinal commonalities of secular belief. The bottom line is that yeshivas and Orthodox organizations may now lose their tax-exempt status and government funding, and even become targets for lawsuits.

Although the New York State bill promised an exemption for religious institutions, I have been told by a number of legal experts that such an exemption will not prevail in court, and is even contradicted by a reading of the Executive Law 296:11 and the bill itself. (For various and detailed articles on this issue, please see my website, www.gendercentral.com.)

Nothing in the Orthodox community is as important as the protection of our children. When we have even the slightest suspicion about people, we insulate our children from them. (Maine voted down a gay rights bill because family activists mounted a campaign in which they asked the public, “Do you want your child taught in public school by a homosexual?”) Now, however, as a Senate counsel explained to me, every parochial school will have to hire homosexual teachers for its students.


Furthermore, while a homosexual hired by a parochial school can be forced by contract to refrain from uttering certain ideas while on campus, it’s a different story off campus, of course, where the homosexual is free to fraternize with the students he’s come to know during school hours.

There’s more: An owner of a two-family home who does not reside in one of the apartments cannot turn down homosexuals or others who practice atypical lifestyles. An employer who asks about someone’s sexual orientation breaks the law. A landlord who asks about someone’s “sexual orientation, age, sex, marital status or family status” could be a criminal.

One of the most troubling aspects of S720 is the language that pertains to the government making advisory councils ‘local, regional or state-wide, as in its judgment will aid in effectuating the purpose of this article.’ In other words, volunteers, recognized by the state, will report on ‘specific instances’ where discrimination is alleged to exist. Conceivably, a state-sponsored volunteer from an aggressive gay activist group could come snooping around the Orthodox community and file a grievance, at which point the state would launch an investigation.

National and state civil right commissions have enormous powers and can break the largest corporations. Will civil rights commissions establish quotas or find out why Orthodox residences and businesses do not have the requisite number of homosexuals employed or renting? Who will pay for the attorneys? The other side has no worry on this account; it is well-funded by private and even governmental resources.

The hour is later than most of us think. An organization for Orthodox homosexuals under a person who once was a pulpit rabbi is gaining adherents throughout America and Israel. These neighbors of ours want to participate in Orthodox life just like everybody else. They want to reach others with orientation problems and to create a force within our community for their special interests. They want to live openly with their partners and yet be part of the Orthodox community. They may want to teach children in yeshiva and apply for rabbinical positions. This bill will greatly strengthen them.

The great rabbis of the past generation fought the gay lobby. Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt”l, wrote a letter demanding that everyone come to hearings on gay rights to protest. He, along with Rav Yaacov Kaminetsky, zt”l, Rav Shimon Schwab, zt”l and others, encouraged me to battle the efforts by gays to gain legitimacy and acceptance for their lifestyle.

The SONDA bill is passed, and the executive branch is now preparing the precise implementation of the law. This is the critical moment. Ask your elected representatives to contact the governor’s office to explain the needs and concerns of our community. If you have the time to prepare a nice letter or oral presentation, call yourself.


Loathsome, reptilian, culturally backwards bigots.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

6chars

(3,967 posts)
16. Looks like a truthiness headline
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:08 PM
Dec 2015

The New York Times (admittedly a far right publication known for its Iraq war cheerleading) gives some details on what transpired.

Israel’s Ministry of Education has decided not to include a novel about a romance between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man on the list of required reading for Hebrew high school literature classes, prompting a stormy debate over how Israeli society deals with its cultural divides.

Teachers had reportedly requested that the book, published in 2014, be included in the recommended curriculum but a professional committee chose to exclude it. Ms. Fenig said that the book had not been banned, and that she did not rule out its inclusion in next year’s list of recommended books for students.

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So, not recommending it = banning it? I wonder what banning means in (all) other countries.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/world/middleeast/borderlife-dorit-rabinyan-israel-ministry-education.html

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