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shira

(30,109 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:26 PM Jan 2016

Bennett to Netanyahu: Arabs aren't to blame for terror, we are

Last edited Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:32 PM - Edit history (1)

However, Bennett did not take kindly to Netanyahu's criticism of the Arab sector, as he made clear in an interview on Sunday morning with Israel Radio.

The Jewish Home chairman said he "doesn't place responsibility for the attack in Tel Aviv on the Arab sector in Israel. Most of them are trying to be a normative part of the state."

"If there is a failure, the failure is of the state by not enforcing the law in Arab villages and cities, and the Arabs are the first ones to implore us to enforce the law fully," he added.

"I turn the accusing finger on us," said Bennett.

The minister said Israel is responsible because it "did not know how to bring close the normative majority of the Arab public in Israel over the years, and alongside this (Israel) also didn't punish the subversive minority with a hard hand."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/205870#.VorymPkrLIX

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Bennett to Netanyahu: Arabs aren't to blame for terror, we are (Original Post) shira Jan 2016 OP
More from OP... shira Jan 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jan 2016 #2
+1. n/t shira Jan 2016 #3
Well put leftynyc Jan 2016 #18
Your preferred publication, Arutz Sheva, Political stance: Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #4
Just posted one from Haaretz a minute ago. Keep up. n/t shira Jan 2016 #5
Doesn't change a thing I stated from wiki..your source, the settlers go to publication. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jan 2016 #9
Their main purpose is supporting the settlers movement, the rest is irrelevant. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jan 2016 #13
lol You're funny. They can do whatever they want, that doesn't change what their Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #14
It is not ridiculous 6chars...... Israeli Jan 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jan 2016 #7
It's a pro-settlers publication, the US position is against expanding settlements. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jan 2016 #10
I am quite familiar with it and as I said, a pro-settlers point of view which spells out, No Peace. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #11
No Peace ....and no Leftists :) ....nt. Israeli Jan 2016 #17
Arutz 7 think that all Leftists ... Israeli Jan 2016 #16
The Talk Backs are interesting too. This one cracked me up: Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #19
That's classic .... Israeli Jan 2016 #20
what do you make of that 6chars Jan 2016 #21
Why is your head spinning ???? Israeli Jan 2016 #23
Thanks for the explanation. 6chars Jan 2016 #24
You are very welcome .... Israeli Jan 2016 #25
Makes a lot of sense 6chars Jan 2016 #26
IMO the mindset at Arutz Sheva goes like this azurnoir Jan 2016 #22
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
1. More from OP...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

Bennett has long sought to be an advocate for the Arab Israeli public. In the last government as Economics Minister he oversaw a $2.5 million program integrating Arabs in the hi-tech industry. In March 2013, he told the Europe Israel Press Association (EIPA) that the issue of increasing the number of Arab women in the workforce is "his baby."

As Education Minister, last August he launched a $7.9 million plan to teach Arab students Hebrew in kindergarten, to improve Arab employment and economic power, and last month in December he announced that he is establishing the "first Arab college" in Israel.

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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Well put
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jan 2016

Far far too often they're treated as children who carry no responsibility for their actions. Personally, I would find that attitude insulting enough to do something about it but whatever.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Your preferred publication, Arutz Sheva, Political stance:
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jan 2016
Arutz Sheva sees itself as a counterbalance to " 'negative thinking' and 'post-Zionist' attitudes."[9] It has been identified with the Israeli settlement movement.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arutz_Sheva

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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
14. lol You're funny. They can do whatever they want, that doesn't change what their
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

well known purpose is. I am sure you're all aboard for Mondoweiss too, eh?

Their reputation is well understood, pro-settlers. Ask oberliner about it, he'll tell you,
since you don't believe me.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
15. It is not ridiculous 6chars......
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jan 2016

........Jefferson is correct .

I am really surprised that you dont know this .....over here it is common knowledge even a high school kid could tell you the same.

If you want evidence then here read this :

HolyLand Holdings Ltd.

From Beit El to the Marshall Islands and back: the quest for the owners of two of the media
outlets most identified with the settlers' community in Israel, the Arutz Sheva website and the free weekly B'Sheva


Source : http://www.the7eye.org.il/181976

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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. It's a pro-settlers publication, the US position is against expanding settlements.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

Allegedly anyway, so its use here has one purpose.

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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. I am quite familiar with it and as I said, a pro-settlers point of view which spells out, No Peace.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
16. Arutz 7 think that all Leftists ...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:14 AM
Jan 2016

....are post zionists 6chars ....and that is when they are being polite .

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. The Talk Backs are interesting too. This one cracked me up:
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jan 2016

Zivi Ritchie ·
YOEC
Bennet claims to be right wing. Listen to what he says! it is clear that he is just a left wing plant.
Like · Reply · 13 · Jan 3, 2016 7:31am

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
20. That's classic ....
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jan 2016

.......say something positive about Arabs and you are doomed ...doomed forever and a day ...as a Leftist

Joking aside tho ........Naftali Bennett is having a hard time right now ....

Alleged Torture of Jewish Terror Suspects Opens Wide Cracks in religious-Zionist Community

Habayit Hayehudi leader Naftali Bennett hesitated for a while before coming down firmly on the side of the Shin Bet - and against some of his party colleagues.

Chaim Levinson Dec 25, 2015

The right-wing protesters shouting "traitor" and "a Jew doesn't torture a Jew" outside the home of Education Minister Naftali Bennet last week illustrated the sort of week it was for the country's national-religious population.

It was possibly one of the stormiest weeks the community has ever been through.

Two of the suspects allegedly tortured by the Shin Bet are the sons of national-religious rabbis from the heart of the community's consensus. The father of one is the rabbi of a pre-army preparatory school and signed a petition protesting the killing of Palestinian youth Mohammed Abu Khdeir by three Jews in July 2014. The father of the other is the rabbi of a large religious-Zionist organization.

Both families have called for public pressure on the Shin Bet to go easy on the suspects, following revelations – and Shin Bet acknowledgement – of the harsh measures being used in the interrogations of the youths.

The outrage that such measures are being used on Jews clashes with the religious-Zionist community's automatic identification with the security establishment, leading to a profound loss of balance.

Leaving aside the families, which are trying to protect their imprisoned sons, the recent events have emphasized the religious-Zionist divide between Bennett and Agriculture Minister Uri Ariel – between religious-nationalism and haredi-nationalism.  

Since the interrogations began three weeks ago, those close to the detainees, including the lawyers they were prevented from meeting with until last week, have accused the Shin Bet of using illegal measures. But their protests had little resonance among the public initially.

A press conference on Thursday last week by attorneys Adi Keidar and Itamar Ben-Gvir, representing the detainees, changed the picture entirely. Their allegations of torture were widely publicized and brought demonstrators into the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

Members of Ariel's Tekuma faction in Habayit Hayehudi rallied to the flag and Ariel and Knesset member Bezalel Smotrich sent letters of protest to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

In contrast to his Tekumah colleagues, Bennett chose to sit on the fence during the early part of the week. The Tekuma activists hoped that public pressure would force both him and Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked to pick up the glove and enter the fray.

Shaked is one of the few ministers with leverage over the Shin Bet, by virtue of her position. The service needs the justice ministry to advance laws and programs in which it is interested and Shaked is also a member of the ministerial Shin Bet committee.

Until Monday, Shaked was still uncertain about which way to go. She avoided expressing an opinion, preferring to ask Netanyahu to convene the Shin Bet committee in order to get updates about the investigation.

Then, on Monday night, the coin finally dropped for Bennett. After hearing allegations of sexual harassment and of the suspects being force-fed non-kosher meat, he requested a security briefing.

What he heard in the briefing painted a different picture entirely of what was going on in the investigation. He decided that, for him, the detainees and what they represented were engaged in a war on religious-Zionism.


Bennett's pronouncements on the issue during the course of the week were unprecedented in their vehemence, as well as in the political courage it took to make them.

At a conference of religious-Zionist school principals organized by the Besheva newspaper on Thursday, he sharply criticized Jewish terror, which he said was trying to dismantle the state and to cripple religious-Zionism.

For Bennett, speaking as he did was politically expedient. It enabled him to shake off Ariel, Smotrich and the rest of Tekumah and to make himself acceptable to the mainstream secular-right in the country.

But, first and foremost, the issue is ideological – a fight over the image of religious-Zionism.


The critical comments to his speech that he received on Facebook testify to just how difficult the campaign is.

The broadcast of the video from the wedding of Yakir Eshbal and Roni Goldberg, during which celebrants waved rifles, knives and fire bombs and slashed a picture of Ali Dewansheh, the toddler who died in the Duma arson-murder, only served to sharpen the dispute between the two wings of religious-Zionism.

On the one hand, there's the establishment, whose nausea has increased from day to day. The video gave them the justification they needed to deal harshly with the violence of the radical right; a justification that is based on ideology and the fact that the Duma murderers are apparently surrounded by others who support and encourage them.

Even many of those opposed to the Shin Bet found the video repulsive, though they prefer to focus on who leaked it.


There are those who maintain that it was leaked by the Yesha Council, the coordinating body of West Bank settlements, while others believe it was leaked by the Shin Bet.

The fact that Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon showed the video at a meeting he held before it was broadcast on TV feeds the conspiracy theorists. Past experience teaches that leaks are sometimes random and not every leak is necessarily the fruit of brain-storrming by strategic consultants.

But the truth is no longer relevant. Along with the claims that the Shin Bet released the video in order to justify its use of torture, other, more troubling, allegations are also being made, according to which the objective of the leak was to  besmirch religious-Zionism as a whole (even though the head of the Shin Bet belongs to the camp.)

It's too early to assess the long-term repercussions of the affair on religious-Zionism. Many details are still unavailable and are likely to be published in the coming weeks.

In addition to the arson-murder at Duma, a much wider infrastructure will be revealed of activists who have the goal of dismantling the state and replacing it with a theocratic kingdom. The leaders of the underground network are the sons of rabbis or youths from distinguished families – the heart of the religious-Zionist mainstream – who have gone through a process of radicalization and found themselves on the hilltops.

In the meantime, opposing voices are being heard from two interesting figures in the religious-Zionist camp. One is Zvi Sukkot, a resident of Yitzhar, who was detained in the past for the arson of a mosque. Sukkot made waves with an article in which he criticized the religious-Zionist mainstream for what he said was its condescending attitude to the fringes – an attitude from those who gave birth to the Jewish underground of the Eighties and who themselves break the law with their unauthorized building.

Another article, by Itai Zar, the founder of the Havat Gilad illegal outpost and at one stage one of the most prominent figures in the activities of the hilltop youth, asked the youth to halt their anti-Arab hate crimes, known colloquially as "price tag" attacks.

"In general, I believe in positive activity – our price tag should be building, agriculture, getting married and having children, another settlement, another kindergarted," Zar wrote.
"We want revenge, but it must be national – revenge on our enemies for all the blood that has been spilled; revenge that will teach our enemies that the shedding of Jewish blood doesn't go unpunished."

In contrast to Sukkot, Zar expressed faith in the religious-Zionist mainstream. "I have faith in the leadership, in the army and in the security forces that they will do what is good for the People of Israel," he wrote.

"And I thus beseech the leadership: Give our youth hope! Build settlements! Show the Zionist public that Zionism is not dead and that building Eretz Yisrael is not something to be ashamed of."  

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.693855


6chars

(3,967 posts)
21. what do you make of that
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

It is pretty complex with opponents of my opponents all over the place. Does this mean the Israeli right is fracturing? Is the right dividing further from the center? Is the far right moving further to the right? My head is spinning.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
23. Why is your head spinning ????
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jan 2016

Its not difficult or complex .

Perhaps another link might help you understand ??..........

Bennett at odds with Bayit Yehudi over Duma arson investigation

While his colleagues Uri Ariel and Bezalel Smotrich call to close the Shin Bet's Jewish Division, Naftali Bennett stands firm with the agency and the state. Will he pay a political price for coming out against his voters?

Source : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4744280,00.html

Bayit Yehudi ( Habayit Hayehudi ) are only one party on the Right 6chars.......Tekuma are a faction within the party .

In a nutshell..... "" the recent events have emphasized the religious-Zionist divide between Bennett and Agriculture Minister Uri Ariel – between religious-nationalism and haredi-nationalism. ""

You seem to have a lot to learn about Israeli politics... not just about Arutz 7 being the mouthpiece of the settler movement .





6chars

(3,967 posts)
24. Thanks for the explanation.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

Israeli politics is like a Russian novel with all the players. Figured (correctly) you would know the cast of characters.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
25. You are very welcome ....
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:58 AM
Jan 2016

You asked about the center ..... "" Does this mean the Israeli right is fracturing? Is the right dividing further from the center? Is the far right moving further to the right? My head is spinning."" .

As an American Democrat, like oberliner you probably align your politics more with them than the Israeli Right or Left .
Would you like to know how they are feeling .....

The Defeatism of Israel's Enlightened Zionists

We of the center-left must rise from our depression, get out of our seclusion and take responsibility. We must seek out our brothers and sisters – the Israelis.

Ari Shavit Jan 07, 2016

Wherever I turn I see capitulation. Among my friends, at work, even at home people are walking around bent and in pain with heads hanging low. Nine months after the 2015 victory turned into defeat, the big, broad center-left public hasn’t recovered yet. The prevalent feeling is that the election defeat wasn’t accidental; Israel has changed its face.

The enlightened state our grandparents and parents established has become ultra-nationalist, religious and dark. Religious Zionism has taken over its institutions. Non-Zionist religion has taken over first-grade classes. Anti-democratic views and anti-liberal notions are taking root in the public. Dorit Rabinyan’s novel is blacklisted, incitement against the Arab minority is rampant and Tel Aviv is being shut down on Shabbat. While the far-right’s organized, obedient legions are conquering hill after hill, our forces are being pushed back. We still have some narrow coastal strip of high-tech, galleries, concert halls and Bat Sheva, but our backs are against the sea. We’re goners.

Various center-left groups react differently to the experience of defeat. The extreme left does what it likes to do – attack the moderate left. The problem is the Labor Party, Isaac Herzog is to blame, the enemy (of the day) is Stav Shaffir. The moderate left does what it does best – hesitate and stammer, while the center-center is turning itself into the center-right. There is a widespread trend of shameless submission to the gravitational pull of the right and to the strongholds of state power.

But the one thing all these responses have in common is the sense of collapse. A feeling has spread over the center-left that there’s no more hope for a democratic Israel that will stop the settlements, end the occupation and unite around liberal values.


The feeling of resignation is understandable. Indeed, a demographic change is taking place in Israel, bringing in its wake a shift to the right and religiosity. Benjamin Netanyahu, it transpires, is a political genius, who knows how to use social processes to strengthen his rule.

But is everything really so black? Has the majority in Israel become fascist? Has the enlightened public become an oppressed, persecuted, helpless minority? No. The Israeli majority has simply lost faith in the peace-camp elite, which erred time after time and did not admit its errors. The enlightened public became apolitical, choosing not to communicate with the majority but to shut itself up in the Tel Avivian enclave. The extreme left’s pinched bitterness, the moderate left’s pallid flaccidity and the shallowness of the right-leaning center have created a situation where there is no serious political alternative to the extreme nationalists and messianic forces. The defeatism is self-fulfilling and self-perpetuating and could bring upon us another, final defeat.

So the change must start within. First we must believe – in Israel, its people and ourselves. Then we must understand that change is possible, but it has to be homemade. We must admit that in contrast to what we thought before, a utopian peace won’t be here shortly. We must admit that despite all our wishes, the Middle East is horrible. But we must remind ourselves and persuade others that real Zionism is made in Yeroham, Migdal Ha’emek and the Weizmann Institute – not in the West Bank settlements of Yitzhar and Itamar. We must remind ourselves and persuade others that we’re not only protesting, but leading. We must rise from our defeatism, get out of our seclusion and take responsibility. We must seek out our brothers and sisters – the Israelis.

In the ‘70s religious Zionism learned the success story of the Labor movement and used it to change Israel’s direction. Now things have turned upside down. Enlightened Zionism must learn the success story of religious Zionism and use it to return Israel to the right path – and win.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.695925

6chars

(3,967 posts)
26. Makes a lot of sense
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

It is a trap.to assume that politics will move in a straight line.

I have to say, this is all reminding g me of the Judean People's Front.

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