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Related: About this forumUS ambassador sees separate justice for Israelis, Palestinians
Shapiro says too many attacks on Palestinians 'lack a vigorous investigation' by Israeli authoritiesUS ambassador Dan Shapiro on Monday charged that Israel seems to apply separate "standards" of justice for Israelis and Palestinians, drawing a rebuke from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"Too much (Jewish) vigilantism goes unchecked, and at times there seems to be two standards of adherence to the rule of law, one for Israelis, and another for Palestinians," Shapiro said in a speech at the annual meeting of the Institute for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv.
The ambassador welcomed the indictment in early January of two Israelis over a firebombing in the occupied West Bank last year that killed a Palestinian couple and their toddler.
The indictments were "an important demonstration of Israel's commitment to prosecute acts of terrorism, regardless of their source, but too many attacks on Palestinians lack a vigorous investigation or response by Israeli authorities," he said.
Also on Monday, Shapiro criticised continued Israeli settlement construction in the occupied West Bank, suggesting that it may render the two-state solution less viable.
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US ambassador sees separate justice for Israelis, Palestinians (Original Post)
Jefferson23
Jan 2016
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)1. seems two standards, no there are two standards of justice
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)2. Yep, for like over 50 years now. n/t
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)3. indictments look good, actual trial results more telling though
Israeli
(4,151 posts)4. The Incredible Archaeological Discovery Made by the U.S. Ambassador to Israel
'Concerned and perplexed' over Israel's double standards? You don't say, Mr. Shapiro.
Zvi Bar'el Jan 20, 2016
Double standards? The law is not being applied equally to Palestinians and Jews in the territories? That is what is worrying United States Ambassador Dan Shapiro, the representative in Israel of the greatest power in the world? Suddenly the U.S. is concerned and perplexed over Israels policy in the territories.
Shapiro is in fact an expert on the Middle East, with long experience in American foreign policy in our serene region. He served on the National Security Council and advised Barack Obama on Middle Eastern policy during the latters first presidential campaign. His biographical details are important because of their relevance to the words concerned and perplexed, which describe the U.S. administrations chronic condition.
The U.S. ambassador is far from perplexed. Even back when he was an undergraduate at Brandeis University, he was aware of the double standards created by the 1967 occupation: one bundle of laws for the Jews and one for the Palestinians. Jordanian law, British and Ottoman law, military orders and the law of the wink, all used as needed for the two communities.
In 1982, when Shapiro was a high school student, then-Deputy Attorney General Yehudit Karp issued her earthshaking report stating that there is no doubt a direct correlation between the numerous investigations that end with files closed and the many investigations that are dragged on, and renunciation of the right to file a complaint. Reality shows a vicious cycle in which incidents are not investigated for lack of complaints, while complaints are not filed for lack of proper investigation. The rule of law and public order certainly are not well served in this matter.
The Karp report was not invisible to Shapiros predecessors. Thirty-four years have gone by since it was written and suddenly it is as if a lightning bolt has struck the great power.
The United States is concerned and perplexed; terrified by the double standards. You dont say, Mr. Shapiro. Youve been serving in Tel Aviv almost five years now, you have accompanied all the vetoes the American administration imposed on every resolution that had even the slightest whiff of condemnation of Israel, and not a word (not publicly, anyhow) about Israels double standards. Pardon the interference in the internal affairs of the United States, but shouldnt one who recently discovered such a major historical, or, better, archaeological discovery, do something about it?
Anyone who speaks of double standards should first look into whats hiding in his own closet. The European Union has already moved at the speed of an iceberg in deciding to mark products made in the settlements. Thats not something that will set the earths axis off-course, but it is an actual step. Washington apparently has not heard about this option, perhaps because of the time difference, or perhaps because it still has not adopted European standards; it continues to mark measurement in inches.
But we all know the saying better late than never, and who knows better than you the biblical verse whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall obtain mercy." So lets see what exactly you mean by applying identical standards to Jews and non-Jews in the territories.
Could you be suggesting that Israel annex the territories? Israeli law for everyone? Or maybe you mean that if the occupation is eternal, then only an enlightened occupation?
Dear Ambassador, the problem is not that the Israel Police does not investigate or locate members of Jewish gangs. The problem is that these gangs exist at all in the territories, and they exist in the territories, among other reasons, because your administration spoke in protest poetry to successive Israeli governments instead of speaking Israeli to them.
American, as you know, is a language our prime minister understands well and he also speaks it fluently. But poetry is not exactly his genre.
Zvi Bar'el
Haaretz Correspondent
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.698400
Zvi Bar'el Jan 20, 2016
Double standards? The law is not being applied equally to Palestinians and Jews in the territories? That is what is worrying United States Ambassador Dan Shapiro, the representative in Israel of the greatest power in the world? Suddenly the U.S. is concerned and perplexed over Israels policy in the territories.
Shapiro is in fact an expert on the Middle East, with long experience in American foreign policy in our serene region. He served on the National Security Council and advised Barack Obama on Middle Eastern policy during the latters first presidential campaign. His biographical details are important because of their relevance to the words concerned and perplexed, which describe the U.S. administrations chronic condition.
The U.S. ambassador is far from perplexed. Even back when he was an undergraduate at Brandeis University, he was aware of the double standards created by the 1967 occupation: one bundle of laws for the Jews and one for the Palestinians. Jordanian law, British and Ottoman law, military orders and the law of the wink, all used as needed for the two communities.
In 1982, when Shapiro was a high school student, then-Deputy Attorney General Yehudit Karp issued her earthshaking report stating that there is no doubt a direct correlation between the numerous investigations that end with files closed and the many investigations that are dragged on, and renunciation of the right to file a complaint. Reality shows a vicious cycle in which incidents are not investigated for lack of complaints, while complaints are not filed for lack of proper investigation. The rule of law and public order certainly are not well served in this matter.
The Karp report was not invisible to Shapiros predecessors. Thirty-four years have gone by since it was written and suddenly it is as if a lightning bolt has struck the great power.
The United States is concerned and perplexed; terrified by the double standards. You dont say, Mr. Shapiro. Youve been serving in Tel Aviv almost five years now, you have accompanied all the vetoes the American administration imposed on every resolution that had even the slightest whiff of condemnation of Israel, and not a word (not publicly, anyhow) about Israels double standards. Pardon the interference in the internal affairs of the United States, but shouldnt one who recently discovered such a major historical, or, better, archaeological discovery, do something about it?
Anyone who speaks of double standards should first look into whats hiding in his own closet. The European Union has already moved at the speed of an iceberg in deciding to mark products made in the settlements. Thats not something that will set the earths axis off-course, but it is an actual step. Washington apparently has not heard about this option, perhaps because of the time difference, or perhaps because it still has not adopted European standards; it continues to mark measurement in inches.
But we all know the saying better late than never, and who knows better than you the biblical verse whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall obtain mercy." So lets see what exactly you mean by applying identical standards to Jews and non-Jews in the territories.
Could you be suggesting that Israel annex the territories? Israeli law for everyone? Or maybe you mean that if the occupation is eternal, then only an enlightened occupation?
Dear Ambassador, the problem is not that the Israel Police does not investigate or locate members of Jewish gangs. The problem is that these gangs exist at all in the territories, and they exist in the territories, among other reasons, because your administration spoke in protest poetry to successive Israeli governments instead of speaking Israeli to them.
American, as you know, is a language our prime minister understands well and he also speaks it fluently. But poetry is not exactly his genre.
Zvi Bar'el
Haaretz Correspondent
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.698400