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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:02 PM Jan 2016

Former Netanyahu Aide Calls U.S. Ambassador to Israel 'Jew Boy'

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.698358

A former advisor of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu used the derogatory Hebrew term “Yehudon” - loosely translated as “little Jew boy” to characterize remarks by U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro .

On a Tuesday morning political panel show, on Israel’s Channel 2, commentator Aviv Bushinsky reacted to remarks Shapiro made in his speech to the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) conference. Shapiro said "too much Israeli vigilantism in the West Bank goes on unchecked," adding that "there is a lack of thorough investigations… at times it seems Israel has two standards of adherence to rule of law in the West Bank - one for Israelis and one for Palestinians."

After viewing a clip of Shapiro’s remarks, Bushinsky declared, “To put it bluntly, it was a statement typical of a little Jew boy (Yehudon).”

When his fellow panelists protested that Shapiro was merely expressing the position of the United States, Bushinsky responded, “Nobody was standing there with a hammer forcing him to say it. He’s his own person … I see a Jew, Dan Shapiro, saying this. I see it as a pattern - it was the same thing with [former U.S. Middle East Envoy] Dennis Ross and now with [former U.S. Ambassador to Israel] Martin Indyk saying his nonsense. It's the behavior of Jews who are trying to show that they are extra left-wing, more liberal and more balanced."

The U.S. Embassy spokesman declined to comment on Shapiro's behalf on Tuesday.

Bushinsky served as media advisor for Netanyahu during his first term as Prime Minister in 1998 and 1999, advised him between political roles, and served as his chief of staff in 2003-2004 when Netanyahu was Finance Minister in Ariel Sharon’s government.


Israel's rightwing is full of charmers.
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Former Netanyahu Aide Calls U.S. Ambassador to Israel 'Jew Boy' (Original Post) geek tragedy Jan 2016 OP
In context, it is a derogatory term for a diaspora Jew (as opposed to an Israeli one). oberliner Jan 2016 #1
pretty much how Cornel West talks about President Obama nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #2
With more of an outsider connotation oberliner Jan 2016 #3
Bushinski could write for Mondoweiss.... King_David Jan 2016 #4
Weiss feels sick when he hears people taking in Hebrew oberliner Jan 2016 #5
can you link that up for us, I don't remember Weiss saying he gets sick whenever he hears Hebrew azurnoir Jan 2016 #7
Weiss just gets upset & angry when he hears hebrew... shira Jan 2016 #8
well link it up then or are you just guessing or something? azurnoir Jan 2016 #9
Sure, I'll link it when u agree that getting upset, angry at hearing Arabic is bigoted. shira Jan 2016 #10
say what? is it that you can't ? azurnoir Jan 2016 #11
Oh? You don't believe being angry, upset hearing Arabic is bigoted, racist? n/t shira Jan 2016 #12
I asked you for a link where Weiss states he becomes angry when he hears Hebrew and so far you seem azurnoir Jan 2016 #14
Here's a link... shira Jan 2016 #15
you link to a 7 year old article from a Rightwing site? and I only know the age because azurnoir Jan 2016 #16
LoL at the typical deflections from you. Is that hate or not? shira Jan 2016 #17
It would depend entirely on what was being said in Arabic and why ya know context azurnoir Jan 2016 #18
What a waste of time - Weiss is a bigot, you know it, why deny it? shira Jan 2016 #19
your opinion is not fact azurnoir Jan 2016 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #31
Op-Ed: Israel: The World's First Modern Indigenous State shira Jan 2016 #32
you seem quite fond of 'settler news' these days, why is that, do they best express your opinion? azurnoir Jan 2016 #39
I'm more interested in the writer of an op-ed or legit news story than the source.... shira Jan 2016 #40
you feel an extremist rightwing source best represents your opinions ? azurnoir Jan 2016 #41
I think facts & sound reasoning best represents my opinions. n/t shira Jan 2016 #42
from a source that's been dubbed "settler news'? azurnoir Jan 2016 #43
All sources tend to be biased in some way. It's a question of credibility, facts.... shira Jan 2016 #44
You seem to be the only person supporting the Mondoweiss bigoted site,.. King_David Jan 2016 #20
On this thread azurnoir Jan 2016 #22
Seems to be on DU King_David Jan 2016 #23
Yep , additional hate and malice... King_David Jan 2016 #13
"Such charming people" is the first thing that went through my head. bemildred Jan 2016 #6
which "people" are you referring to? 6chars Jan 2016 #24
From the OP: bemildred Jan 2016 #25
State Department backs Daniel Shapiro after he said Israel applies law in West Bank differently... Eugene Jan 2016 #26
good. Israel can whine all it wants, no one cares nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #27
And yet, the US & every other nation would balk if Israel applied Israeli law there.... shira Jan 2016 #28
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #29
This has to be one of the ugliest posts I ever saw here on DU King_David Jan 2016 #30
THAT's what BDS is all about, KD. To put these theories, stories "out there", to incite. n/t shira Jan 2016 #33
I think there's one or two posters that attracted that poster to this group King_David Jan 2016 #34
Just more anti-zio BDS advocacy, KD. The goal being the Nazification of Israel.... shira Jan 2016 #35
see comment #36 :) azurnoir Jan 2016 #37
Really which one or two? myself I have another opinion based on his being here for 3 1/2 years azurnoir Jan 2016 #38
The poster is no more, I alerted the post which strangley for all the protests had not been previous azurnoir Jan 2016 #36
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. In context, it is a derogatory term for a diaspora Jew (as opposed to an Israeli one).
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

That's the way he is using the slur here.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. With more of an outsider connotation
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jan 2016

But yes, there is some similarity there, I think.

In any case, an ugly remark.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. Bushinski could write for Mondoweiss....
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jan 2016

Another right wing site that feels the same way about American Jews.
( Weiss as well as Bushinski are Jews bigoted against American Jews)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Weiss feels sick when he hears people taking in Hebrew
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

It's way beyond anything this guy has said.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
8. Weiss just gets upset & angry when he hears hebrew...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

Similar to how some people get upset and angry when hearing Arabic.

Nothing racist or bigoted there, right?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. Sure, I'll link it when u agree that getting upset, angry at hearing Arabic is bigoted.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

Well?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. I asked you for a link where Weiss states he becomes angry when he hears Hebrew and so far you seem
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jan 2016

unable

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. you link to a 7 year old article from a Rightwing site? and I only know the age because
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:21 AM
Jan 2016

I Googled the article by title, it would not load either from your link nor from the Google entry, I tried Googling the quotes individually and got nothing at least 3 pages out,

if the article becomes available I'll be able to reply more fully

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
17. LoL at the typical deflections from you. Is that hate or not?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:23 AM
Jan 2016

If someone were to say that about hearing Arabic, would that be considered bigotry?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. It would depend entirely on what was being said in Arabic and why ya know context
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:34 AM
Jan 2016

now please give us some verifiable links about Weiss supposedly saying he reviled Hebrew, why do you choose to give us give us dead links?

on investigating sadredearth which seems either dead or off line, it seems that it's attempting to create ties between the Native Americans and Israel-thankfully the Native American and Indigenous Studies Association is not fooled by such shenanigans as they are being monitored by AMCHA


Native American and Indigenous Studies Association:

NAISA Declaration of Support for the Boycott of Israeli Academic Institutions (Council of the Native American and Indigenous Studies Association in December 2013)
NAISA National Council + EMAILS

http://www.amchainitiative.org/academic-associations-endorsing-academic-boycott-of-israel/

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
19. What a waste of time - Weiss is a bigot, you know it, why deny it?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jan 2016

He's written far worse shit that you've seen for yourself, and ignored.

As for Native American, Jewish connections - I have inlaws who are Canadian Native American. They're the first to say Jews are as indigenous to Israel as Natives are to North America.

Response to shira (Reply #19)

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
32. Op-Ed: Israel: The World's First Modern Indigenous State
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jan 2016

Israel is the world's first modern indigenous state. Those who are arguing for Palestinian “indigenous rights” are usually those who have little grasp of the history, and no understanding of the truth behind indigenous rights.


I am Métis from the Paddle Prairie Metis settlement in Northern Alberta Canada. I founded Canadians For Accountability, a native rights advocacy group, and I am an organizer and participant in the Idle No More movement in Calgary. I am a founding member of an Israeli advocacy group called Calgary United with Israel. And I am a Zionist.

Indigenous status
To begin, let us acknowledge that there is no rule that a land can have only one indigenous people; it is not a zero sum game in which one group must be considered indigenous so that therefore another is not. However, there is a very clear guideline to being an indigenous people. It is somewhat complex but can be boiled down to the checklist below, as developed by anthropologist José R. Martínez-Cobo (former special rapporteur of the Sub-commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities for the United Nations).

This list was developed because indigenous rights are beginning to be respected across the planet. This recognition is incredibly important, so we as indigenous people cannot allow non-indigenous people to make false claims, which ultimately would harm our own rights.

Israel is the world’s first modern indigenous state: the creation and declaration of the sovereign nation of Israel marks the first time in history that an indigenous people has managed to regain control of its ancestral lands and build a nation state. As such, this is incredibly important for indigenous people both to recognise and to support as a great example for our peoples to emulate.

The actual working definition of “indigenous people,” (not the Wikipedia version, nor Merriam Webster, both more suited to plants and animals) for purposes of this essay is that developed by aforementioned anthropologist José R. Martínez-Cobo. With this as my foundation, I will detail why Jews are indigenous to Israel, and why Palestinians are not.

Martinez-Cobo’s research suggests that indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them

Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands

Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.)

Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language)

Residence in certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world

Religion that places importance on spiritual ties to the ancestral lands

Blood quantum – that is, the amount of blood you carry of a specific people to identify as that people. The concept was developed by colonialists in order to eventually breed out native peoples.

Let us now look quickly at the Jews. How do they fit this definition?

cont'd...
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14377#.VqOlDlMrJo4

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
39. you seem quite fond of 'settler news' these days, why is that, do they best express your opinion?
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jan 2016
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
40. I'm more interested in the writer of an op-ed or legit news story than the source....
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jan 2016

If I have no reason to question the credibility of a writer or source, then I don't see a problem.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
43. from a source that's been dubbed "settler news'?
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

One that chooses to locate itself in the WB settlements?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
44. All sources tend to be biased in some way. It's a question of credibility, facts....
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

....and sound reasoning.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. You seem to be the only person supporting the Mondoweiss bigoted site,..
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jan 2016

The only one ....on DU ... A site that directs its bigotry against American Jews... Half this group are targeted by that site.... Because of our ethnicity.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. "Such charming people" is the first thing that went through my head.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

Then, "rude". "condescending", "shallow", and so on.

Eugene

(61,903 posts)
26. State Department backs Daniel Shapiro after he said Israel applies law in West Bank differently...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016

Source: The Guardian

Former Netanyahu aide lambasts US ambassador in heated spat

State Department backs Daniel Shapiro after he said Israel applies law in West
Bank differently to Palestinians and Israelis


Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem
Wednesday 20 January 2016 11.20 GMT

The US State Department has moved to back America’s ambassador to Israel in a febrile and escalating row over his remarks on Monday that Israel applied law in the occupied West Bank differently to Palestinians and Israelis.

Ambassador Daniel Shapiro’s unusually critical comments drew harsh criticism from ministers in Israel’s rightwing government – including from the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu.

Shapiro was also publicly lambasted on Israeli television on Tuesday by a former aide to Netanyahu who used the deeply offensive Hebrew word “yehudon” – which translates as “little Jew boy” – to disparage the ambassador. The term is used by rightwing Israelis against other Jews – particularly those in the diaspora – whom they regard as not being sufficiently Jewish or pro-Israel.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/20/netanyahu-aide-calls-us-ambassador-little-jew-boy-in-escalating-row
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
28. And yet, the US & every other nation would balk if Israel applied Israeli law there....
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jan 2016

Can't win either way.

Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
34. I think there's one or two posters that attracted that poster to this group
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

He just arrived at DU and already posted that disgusting post within 7 posts.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
35. Just more anti-zio BDS advocacy, KD. The goal being the Nazification of Israel....
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016
Vladimir Jankelevitch:

"What if the Jews themselves were Nazis? That would be great. We would no longer have to feel sorry for them; they would have deserved what they got."

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
38. Really which one or two? myself I have another opinion based on his being here for 3 1/2 years
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

albeit IRL they usually come in pairs

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
36. The poster is no more, I alerted the post which strangley for all the protests had not been previous
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jan 2016

alerted on, the poster had been here for years with few posts most likely a disposable username however admins usually trace the IP of such users

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