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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:51 PM Jan 2016

Iran was the ally Israel wanted. It got Saudi Arabia

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Part of this reversal of fortune can be seen in the numerous statements coming out of Turkey about rekindling ties with Israel. Turkey’s President Reccep Tayyip Erdogan made criticism of Israel a key to his policy in the region since his AKP came to power 15 years ago. But after years of supporting Hamas in the Gaza Strip and making outrageous anti-Israel and even anti-Jewish statements, including a famous tirade against Shimon Peres in 2009 at Davos, he changed course on January 2. “Israel needs a country like Turkey, we have to admit we need Israel,” the Turkish leader said, on a flight home from, guess where? Saudi Arabia. Israel plays into this new charm offensive like a poor kid in the sandbox who begs to be picked second-to-last when sides are chosen for kick-ball.

The Saudi-led initiative has its pedigree. During the second intifada Saudi Arabia led a peace plan to grant Israel recognition in the region if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and Gaza. In June 2015 the Saudis also told Israelis at the Council on Foreign Relations in the US that Iran was a common enemy.

The courting of Israel comes against the backdrop of the rise and fall of IS in the region and the frustration of Sunni regimes with their inability to topple Bashar Assad in Syria. At the base of the Saudi worldview is an interest in using other actors to achieve the kingdom’s goals in the region. In the 1980s that meant bankrolling Iraq’s Saddam Hussein to fight Iran. In 1990 it meant asking the Americans to “save” it from Saddam when he got too big for his britches and invaded Kuwait. Every time the Saudis find themselves in trouble they sell their role in the region as guaranteeing stability. Bret Stephens bought into this in a column on January 19, noting that the US must “stand by” its historic Saudi ally “lest they be tempted to continue freelancing their foreign policy in ways we might not like.” This is the Saudi blackmail tactic; support us or the “real” extremists might emerge, not “us moderate Wahhabis” that only ban chess and such.

The Sunni Arab states that want Israel to help them confront Iran have proved incapable of doing so themselves. In Yemen the “grand alliance” of Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and others, has relied on Columbian mercenaries, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia even asked Pakistan to send troops.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Iran-was-the-ally-Israel-wanted-It-got-Saudi-Arabia-442626

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Iran was the ally Israel wanted. It got Saudi Arabia (Original Post) bemildred Jan 2016 OP
Thank you, bemildred saidsimplesimon Jan 2016 #1
My pleasure. bemildred Jan 2016 #2
Mega-deals await as Iranian president starts European trip in Rome bemildred Jan 2016 #3
I agree with your commentary. ha ha...soo true. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #6
interesting piece azurnoir Jan 2016 #4
Informative. bemildred Jan 2016 #5
Analysis: With emergence of a new Iran, Israel needs new allies bemildred Jan 2016 #7

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
1. Thank you, bemildred
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jan 2016

Da'esh was created by, or is being funded and exploited by a few of our so-called allies. (names withheld to protect the innocent)

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. My pleasure.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jan 2016

Very interesting piece I thought.

The notion of the Kurds as a buttress against resurgent Iran was new, hadn't seen that idea before.

And he clarifies and confirms how the Yemen war is going.

I would not recommmend to Israel or the Kurds that they get in bed with the Sauds much more than they are already.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Mega-deals await as Iranian president starts European trip in Rome
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016
Congratulations Bibi. Your efforts have finally come to fruition.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani flew to Italy on Monday at the start of his first official visit to Europe, looking to sign multi-billion dollar contracts to help to modernize Iran's economy after years of crippling financial sanctions.

Heading a 120-strong delegation of Iranian business leaders and ministers, Rouhani will spend two days in Rome before flying to France on Wednesday, hoping to burnish Tehran's international credentials at a time of turmoil across the Middle East.

While diplomacy will figure high on his agenda, trade ties are likely to dominate the headlines, with Iran announcing plans to buy more than 160 European planes, mainly from Airbus (AIRP.PA), on the eve of Rouhani's departure.

Officials in Rome said Italian firms were set to sign deals worth up to 17 billion euros ($18.4 billion) over the next two days, including in the energy, infrastructure and steel sectors.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-europe-rouhani-idUSKCN0V31DJ

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. interesting piece
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

seems the author skirts the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" angle completely, or keep them busy fighting each other that way they aren't fighting .........., IS or Daesh has become the perfect catch all security excuse for Bibi to the degree that he's made noise alluding their existence prevents a Palestinian state because gosh who knows.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Informative.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

He leaves lots of stuff out, and is Pollyanna-ish as you say, but then he is speculating about alternative history, and he is trying to sell his idea, so he doesn't want to arouse strong emotions.

I've seen the "Iran and Israel are natural allies" argument before, and I think it has merit, but various religious nuts and blowhards would have to be moved out of the way first on both sides if you want to get practical.

ISIS has become very handy, it's so useful to have something everybody can hate together.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. Analysis: With emergence of a new Iran, Israel needs new allies
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

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Israel’s problem was and remains the asymmetry between us and Iran. We don’t have a border with Iran, but Iran has more than one border with us – in Lebanon as well as in the northern Golan Heights. Iran’s prosperity will eventually reach Hezbollah, and with it comes advanced weaponry. The Sunni Hamas movement will also have difficulty resisting Iran’s advances when it comes calling with the promise of fat checks.

The Shi’ite axis in Syria that comprises Iran, Assad, and Hezbollah will apparently continue to control the most vital parts of the country – the Damascus airport and the seaports of Latakia and Tartus.

In recent years, Israeli officials have been divided over what position to take in regards to the raging civil war in Syria. There are those who claim that Israel needs to be more active in trying to remove Assad and thus breaking the link that connects Tehran to Beirut. The prevailing view holds that Israel needs to continue watching developments from afar from an almost neutral standpoint. It should only intervene in instances where its vital interests are threatened. Any Israeli intervention in the Syria war will only complicate our situation.

Without Assad in the picture, Hezbollah would undoubtedly be a different organization. But past experience shows that any Israeli attempt to impose a ruler on a neighboring country only brought upon us more trouble. Israel’s quiet support for the Sunni bloc’s efforts to stop Iran will continue, even though there won’t be a decisive knockout blow. All parties in the conflict are too strong to lose and too weak to win.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Analysis-With-emergence-of-a-new-Iran-Israel-needs-new-allies-442783

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