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shira

(30,109 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:43 AM Mar 2016

Hamas Commander, Accused of Theft and Gay Sex, Is Killed by His Own

GAZA CITY — The death of Mahmoud Ishtiwi had all the trappings of a telenovela: sex, torture and embezzlement in Gaza’s most venerated and secretive institution, the armed wing of Hamas.

Mr. Ishtiwi, 34, was a commander from a storied family of Hamas loyalists who, during the 2014 war with Israel, was responsible for 1,000 fighters and a network of attack tunnels. Last month, his former comrades executed him with three bullets to the chest.

Adding a layer of scandal to the story, he was accused of moral turpitude, by which Hamas meant homosexuality. And there were whispers that he had carved the word “zulum” — wronged — into his body in a desperate kind of last testament.

His death has become the talk of the town in the conservative quarters of Gaza, the Palestinian coastal territory, endlessly discussed in living rooms, at checkpoints and in cabs. But to astute Gaza observers, this was more substantive than a soap opera.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/world/middleeast/hamas-commander-mahmoud-ishtiwi-killed-palestine.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1

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King_David

(14,851 posts)
1. They torture and kill and murder their own because he was Gay?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

There is no hope for this kind of evil .... ISIS and Hamas , 2 peas in a pod.

Fucking homophobic barbarians.

Time to exit the 14th Century.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
2. Religious fundamentalists are the same the world over KD .....
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:47 AM
Mar 2016
6 stabbed in Jerusalem gay pride parade

Arrested suspect identified as Yishai Shlissel after six marchers in Jerusalem evacuated to hospital; attacker previously wounded three in stabbing at 2005 Jerusalem gay pride parade.

Ynet Reporters
Latest Update: 07.31.15, 00:57 / Israel News

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4685917,00.html

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
7. Never the less ....
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:57 AM
Mar 2016

I stand by my statement KD ...." Religious fundamentalists are the same the world over ".
And we are not immune .
Does not matter which religion, you Americans have them to ...John Hagee being one .

If you really want to know where our current Gov stands you should read this KD :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134125303

Or this :

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.668915

While speaking abroad, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu never misses an opportunity to point out the persecution of gays in Iran. Yet a member of his own coalition, MK Bezalel Smotrich (Habayit Hayehudi), organized a homophobic countermarch against the Gay Pride Parade in Jerusalem in 2006 – he called it “the beast parade” – only a year after the 2005 stabbings. Words of condemnation heard now from Education Minister Naftali Bennett ring hollow in light of the homophobic views of his party, and the fact that Smotrich is a member of his faction.

Netanyahu’s condemnations are also hollow – both because of his coalition partners but also because his governments have done close to nothing to end legal discrimination against the LGBT community.

Behind the pinkwashing, and alongside the many LGBT-rights achievements made by members of the community and court rulings, it turns out that homophobia in its worst forms exists within the Israeli government – particularly in the education minister and Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked’s party, as we saw before the Knesset election in March. So, Netanyahu can talk all he likes about the persecution gays face in Iran, or boast of the gay candidate on Likud’s Knesset list. But his coalition is directly tied to the racism of organizations like Lehava, which protested at the wedding of Morel Malka and Mahmoud Mansour last summer, and also protested against Thursday’s parade in Jerusalem.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Being Gay is crebrated in Israel
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:53 AM
Mar 2016

Tel Aviv being a major travel destination for Gay tourists worldwide.

So much so that the enemies of the Jewish State call this celebration "Pinkwashing ".

Being Gay in Palestinian statelets , especially Gaza , is a death sentence.

They must stop the hate or they should suffer BDS type action.... But PEP groups such as the BDS movement do not care about this , unless Jews are involved.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
10. Not by all KD ....
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:02 AM
Mar 2016

see : http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/society/103861-160223-knesset-marks-first-ever-lgbt-rights-day-as-homophobia-in-israel-soars

Israel's Knesset will on Tuesday hold its first ever day honoring LGBT rights, even as a special report commissioned ahead of the day shows a dramatic increase in the number of homophobic incidents documented and reported in the country.


Homophobia in Israel soars
The day, however, has taken on an increasing sense of urgency with the publication on Monday of worrying statistics about the rise in homophobic acts and statements in Israeli public life, especially on social media.


The research, which was carried out by the Aguda as part of a special report compiled ahead of Tuesday's LGBT rights day in the Knesset and some of which was published on Mako, shows an increase of around 80 percent in documented incidents of homophobic statements and acts in 2015.

The Aguda's center for documenting homophobia received 276 reports between August 2015 and the end of the year of violence, discrimination and other acts of hate against the LGBT community.

According to the center, this represents a 100 percent increase in reported incidents compared with the last reporting period, 2014.

There has been a particularly dramatic increase in the number of expressions of homophobia online, with 6,836 homophobic posts documented on Hebrew-language social media in January 2016 alone.


see also : http://972mag.com/increasing-homophobia-mars-knesset-lgbt-day/117348/

King_David

(14,851 posts)
11. In New York City too:
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:12 AM
Mar 2016

Incidence Of Homophobia At NYU Law?

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/03/an-incidence-of-homophobia-at-nyu-law/

But you can not compare Israel or NYC to the medieval backward, Gay hating , murderous Homophobic fucks in the Palestinian statelets, IS, Uganda or Iran or other Gay culturally backwards societies.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. 6,836 homophobic posts documented on social media
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:00 AM
Mar 2016

That seems really low.

I wonder what the number is for the US.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
9. All I had to see was the word "Pinkwashing " in the article you posted and I immediately knew
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:56 AM
Mar 2016
the article was crap , and not worth reading.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
12. Its written by Prof. Aeyal Gross KD ....
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:15 AM
Mar 2016

......do you know who he is ???

Here let me help you ....

https://en-law.tau.ac.il/profile/agross

Professor Gross serves as a member of the Board of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel. He is a founding member of TAU’s LGBT & Queer Studies Forum. He also contributes regularly to the Israeli daily Ha’aretz. See www.aeyalgross.com


Also here he debates "Pinkwashing " :
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.660214

You dont have to read it if you dont want to ....but you never know you might just learn something .

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
13. This article does not mention " Pinkwashing " KD ....
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:03 AM
Mar 2016
Israel touts gay-friendly climate, but rights fight faces religious firewall

While gays are accepted by most of Israeli society, religious lawmakers have kept the Knesset from anchoring that acceptance in law

BY BEN SALES March 4, 2016

As last Tuesday ended, it felt like Israel’s gay community had taken a major step forward.

On Feb. 23, eight separate Israeli parliamentary committees convened to discuss a broad set of issues facing the country’s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. Lawmakers from a range of parties talked about protecting LGBT Israelis in the classroom, at home, in government offices and in the army. That afternoon, the parliament officially recognized “Gay Rights Day in the Knesset.”

But 24 hours later, the atmosphere was markedly different.

On Feb. 24, the Knesset voted down a cluster of bills aiming at increasing LGBT rights. The defeated bills — including measures to establish civil unions, provide government benefits to the same-sex partners of fallen soldiers, prohibit gay conversion therapy and mandate training for health care professionals in LGBT issues — were all proposed by opposition legislators and rejected by Israel’s governing coalition.

“It’s historic that on one day, our issues were discussed in depth in all of the committees,” said Chen Arieli, co-chair of Aguda, an Israeli LGBT rights group. “What happened the next day was very sad.”

The contrast points to a dissonance in how Israel treats its LGBT community and their legal rights. For years, Israeli leaders have trumpeted the country’s welcoming climate toward gays and lesbians, especially when compared to Israel’s neighbors. Tel Aviv in particular is known as a mecca for gays, complete with a gay beach and a raucous annual pride parade.

But in the halls of government, gay Israelis have long faced a firewall of religious parties that have blocked pro-LGBT legislation. Gay couples cannot marry, adopt children or have surrogate pregnancies in Israel, though the government does recognize adoptions and gay marriages performed abroad.

Speaking Feb. 24 in the Knesset, Israel’s haredi Orthodox health minister, Yaakov Litzman, invoked the biblical story of the golden calf in expressing his rejection of the pro-LGBT bills.

Mickey Gitzin, founder of Be Free Israel, which promotes religious freedom, spoke of “a big gap between the legal situation and the social situation.”

“Socially, Israel is a liberal state. To be LGBT isn’t so bad or terrible,” he said. “But legally, we’re among the most backward states in the world.”


Personifying that tension is one junior lawmaker, Amir Ohana, who has borne much of the criticism for last week’s about-face at the Knesset.

Ohana, who is gay and lives in Tel Aviv with his partner and two children, was previously seen as an LGBT success story. A former army officer, Shin Bet intelligence agency official and lawyer, Ohana entered the Knesset with the ruling Likud party in December. He is the only openly gay lawmaker in the coalition, and one of only two in the 120-seat Knesset.

But though he supports increased rights for LGBT Israelis, Ohana exited the plenum for the Feb. 24 votes. When LGBT activists accused him of hypocrisy, Ohana attributed the move to his responsibility to the coalition.

In a Facebook post that day, Ohana defended himself as a fighter for LGBT rights, describing his decision to exit the Knesset as a principled move to avoid voting against bills that were going to fail anyway.

“Members of the coalition are obligated to observe coalition discipline,” he wrote. “They’re not masters of their own fate. Israel has almost no freedom to vote, nor is there a freedom to be absent.”

In Israel’s parliamentary system, each lawmaker is legally free to vote as they wish, but a raft of parliamentary procedures and informal customs have taken root over the years that drastically limit the political maneuvering room of an individual MK. A lawmaker who votes against a coalition or faction of which he or she is a member is likely to find themselves voted off committees or see their own bills removed from the legislative agenda by their colleagues.

Responsibility for determining which bills gain coalition support lies with the Ministerial Committee for Legislation, a panel of ministers made up by representatives of the coalition parties. The committee determines which bills to bring to the Knesset and which opposition or private member measures to support.

Because the coalition represents a majority of lawmakers, the committee’s imprimatur is usually enough to determine which bills become law.

Hovav Yannai, Knesset coordinator for the Social Guard, a nonprofit aiming to increase Knesset accountability on social issues, says this is the reason Israel’s laws don’t match its reputation on gay issues. Majorities of Israelis support pro-LGBT reform, and Yannai estimates that at least two-thirds of Knesset members would support equal rights for LGBT Israelis if they had the freedom to do so.

But the fact that a handful of ministers determines which bills gain coalition support grants outsized influence to smaller parties, which can bring down a government if they don’t get their way. Israel’s current coalition government includes the haredi parties Shas and United Torah Judaism, which oppose LGBT rights.

“Governments work according to political agreements, not for the wider public,” Yannai said. “I don’t see positive change coming for the LGBT community in the near future as long as the Israeli government includes non-liberal religious parties.”


Absent improvements in gay rights, Arieli suggests that coalition Knesset members are being hypocritical by praising the LGBT community while stymieing its legislative agenda.

“You stand on our stages, march in our marches, give us speeches,” she said. “It’s time to walk the walk. We want actions, not just words.”

Source : http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-touts-gay-friendly-climate-but-rights-fight-faces-religious-firewall/

Quote : " “Socially, Israel is a liberal state. To be LGBT isn’t so bad or terrible,” he said. “But legally, we’re among the most backward states in the world.”

For that you can thank our , to quote you ,...... " Fucking homophobic barbarians.

Time to exit the 14th Century."

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. I agree with you these religious fundamentalists are crazy extremist, everywhere
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:52 AM
Mar 2016

But Gay life is celebrated in Israel.

In the ISIS or Uganda or Gaza or Palestinian statelets- Gays are pushed off buildings or shot in the chest by their comrades because they are gay- that is some sick Barbaric fucked up culture and there should be a BDS type action to stop this barbarian practices and hate.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. No comparison whatsoever
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:29 AM
Mar 2016

The person responsible for the stabbing in Jerusalem is in jail and will remain in jail. This killing was done BY THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT of Gaza. Also, Israel does not have a death penalty except for crimes against humanity - the last time it was used was for Adolph Eichmann and being gay is not against the law in Israel.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
5. Being Gay is celebrated in Israel, so much so that Israel's enemies have a word for such
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

celebrating.... They call it Pinkwashing....

If only Pinkwashing occurred anywhere else in the Middle East .... Instead there's incredible hate and murder ....

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. There is one question
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:29 PM
Mar 2016

that stops them all - if you're gay, a woman or a nonMuslim, where would you rather live - Israel or ANY other country in the Middle East. They generally deflect to another subject. I don't blame them. Tel Aviv was every bit as gay friendly as New York.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. I don't think that was why he was killed
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

In fact, I think it's likely that such rumors were invented to cover up the real reason for his assassination (internal political wrangling).

King_David

(14,851 posts)
19. Maybe, but they put it forward as an acceptable reason to kill him.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
Mar 2016

Which is a reflection on their sick culture.

It's perfectly acceptable reason to kill someone because they are Gay.

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