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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 08:39 PM Nov 2023

If you are sincere about fixing things, you must be honest

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Lithos (a host of the Israel/Palestine group).

The point of this post is not to vilify anyone; on both sides of the divide, there are heroic people trying to stop the violence. A larger portion of people are people just trying to live thier lives, and that applies to the Jacobs, Mustafas, Rebeccas and Aishas who right now are dealing with people trying to use their corpses for pawns. And yes, we can agree that those in charge have a vested interest in making corpses, because it keeps the same struggle going on, so that they do not have to worry about things like being competent, compassionate leaders.

And whoever in the back is screaming "but my person is good the other guys are the bad guys!" are the exact example of the problem. The fact is, BOTH SIDES have done truly horrible things, gladly risking the lives of children, at times using children as pawns and ammo.

BOTH Sides have gotten people involved using threats, whether it is the arabs or the jews who yell at Biden saying "we will not vote for you, despite the fact they both know that would arm people who either want to kill them, or at the very least force their children to convert to Christianity. Don't thing for one moment that is not the endgame of most GOP. Do not think that those encouraging scapegoating Biden are not looking to pit one D voting bloc against another D voting bloc, so all the Christian soldiers can stomp into the voting booth and dominate.

So, what am I saying? If you want to fix the problem, first, you must take steps to tell both Yusuf and Rebecca that you will have a PLAN to STOP whoever renegs on any ceasefire. Sadly, there are those who will immediately rush to defends whoever is the first to start killing, even if they yelled at you saying "my people can be trusted, and you are a bigot if you do not believe it!" . these are the same people that will yell "but they deserved it!" Who can do this? Ideally the UN, but they have become useless lately, all the same if it take Un Blue Helmets pulling people apart, then let it be done. and if Beijing, Moscow and or Washington throw spanners in that, as they often use the UN as a toy, then let them be thrown out of the un! If either side of Jerusalem trues to, hell, when both sides of jerusalem try that, then we will need people to attack THEM, not yell at Biden and say "we wont vote for you because you do not want to let us kill their babies before they kill our babies.

If you are not willing to speak against your friends when they do wrong, and if you are not ready and willing to take steps to ensure all are safe even the people you do not like, YOU ARE FEEDING THE PROBLEM, and your grandchildren will have every right to HATE YOU.

PS: anyone can die and kill for their country, the very cockroaches do that for their nest. The real heroes are those who make it possible for people to LIVE

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If you are sincere about fixing things, you must be honest (Original Post) DonCoquixote Nov 2023 OP
K&R onecaliberal Nov 2023 #1
Well said, thank you. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #2
"Both sides" again. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #3
ok DonCoquixote Nov 2023 #4
Locking Lithos Nov 2023 #5

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
1. K&R
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 08:43 PM
Nov 2023

Think. Again.

(8,186 posts)
2. Well said, thank you.
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 10:08 PM
Nov 2023

Beastly Boy

(9,375 posts)
3. "Both sides" again.
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 11:26 PM
Nov 2023

Are you aware, all good intentions considered, that you are judging terrorism and hostage taking to be morally equivalent to destroying military targets in self defense?

I am not going to stand for it, and if this makes me the problem, I dread the solution that neglects the difference.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. ok
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 01:11 AM
Nov 2023

when both kill children and civilians, there are no differences

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
5. Locking
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 01:43 AM
Nov 2023

Please base things on articles - see forum guidelines

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