Israel/Palestine

applegrove

(118,694 posts) Sun Nov 5, 2023, 01:52 AM Nov 2023

Arab leaders insist no talk of what comes next till the war is over?

https://apnews.com/article/blinken-mideast-diplomacy-gaza-israel-hamas-war-9d9ada872b84699424f17f13df1c3560

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President Joe Biden in a brief exchange with reporters as he left St. Edmond Roman Catholic Church in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, on Saturday suggested there has been some forward movement in the U.S efforts to persuade Israel to agree to a humanitarian pause. Asked if there was progress, he responded, “Yes.”

In another direct contrast, Arab officials said it was far too soon to discuss one of Blinken’s main agenda items, Gaza’s postwar future. Stopping the killing and restoring steady humanitarian aid are immediate that must be addressed first, they said.

“What happens next? How can we even entertain what will happen next?” said Jordan’s Ayman al-Safadi. “We don’t have all the variables to even start thinking about that.” He added, “We need to get our priorities straight.”

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Applegrove:

So Arab leaders will not talk two state now, while warfare continues, while Palestinian protesters will not mention the Israeli attack that precipitated the invasion of Gaza?

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Arab leaders insist no talk of what comes next till the war is over? (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2023 OP

You know that Israel is totally opposed to a 2 state solution? Violet_Crumble Nov 2023 #1

Elementary! Aussie105 Nov 2023 #2

I've heard that is not the case for many Israelis. 80% of Israelis applegrove Nov 2023 #3

There's a big gulf between "I don't wanna" and "what's the fucking point" and RockRaven Nov 2023 #4

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)

1. You know that Israel is totally opposed to a 2 state solution?

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2023, 03:29 AM

Nov 2023

I'm not sure what point yr trying to make....

Aussie105

(5,401 posts)

2. Elementary!

Reply to Violet_Crumble (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 5, 2023, 03:41 AM

Nov 2023

The fighting will continue until both sides get bored with it.

Then they will sit down to discuss a long, lasting peace that benefits both sides.

They will argue and the fighting will start again.

It has been thus for a very long time.

It's not a fault, it's a feature of the region.

applegrove

(118,694 posts)

3. I've heard that is not the case for many Israelis. 80% of Israelis

Reply to Violet_Crumble (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 5, 2023, 03:47 AM

Nov 2023

are against Netanyahu.

My point was that the Arab leaders and the Palestinian protesters are not allowing any context. Context gets you a pause today at 2PM so families can flee to South Gaza from the North like the IDF said Saturday. Only one way. Hard time lines like the ones given gets you Israelis committing war crimes. That is what they want: to have absolute control of how to define things. That may work in a Palestinian traditional marriage as defined by Hamas but it doesn't work in the real world. Really, a cognitive opening takes place during war and it would be nice if that psychological opening included peace on all sides as an aspiration, not just Israel making war on its own, but how it started and how it will end.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)

4. There's a big gulf between "I don't wanna" and "what's the fucking point" and

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2023, 04:34 AM

Nov 2023

the title is more in the former camp while the quote is more in the latter.

Maybe there should be some evidence that having such talks would have a fucking point? Or else why bother?

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