Israel/Palestine
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Steve Rosen actually manages to write an interesting article, in spite of himself. Its worth a read:-
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/11/09/is_j_street_winning
"It is true that more funds are being raised today than ever before from donors who depict Israel as the obstacle to peace and favor U.S. pressure to force Israeli concessions. The campaign contributions put muscle behind a flood of articles and speeches that portray Israel as a strategic liability rather than an asset -- a trigger-happy country that exaggerates the Iranian threat and is plotting the annexation of the West Bank at the expense of the Palestinians.
Spokesmen for this view, like author Peter Beinart and J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami, are taking ideas from the far left of the Israeli political spectrum and transforming them into mainstream beliefs of the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, however, their counterparts in Israel have shrunk to insignificance: Meretz, the party of Peace Now and Yossi Beilin, has contracted from 14 seats in the Knesset to a mere three. Shelly Yachimovich, the new head of the Labor Party and informal leader of the Israeli opposition, has resisted fierce pressure to embrace the Beilinist agenda. The vast majority of the Israeli public has spoken, and it has rejected the ideology these critics are bringing to the United States.
But in America, these voices have found fertile ground. The American Jewish community is on average more liberal and more dovish on the Middle East than the Jewish majority in Israel. Reform temples and college campuses are particularly receptive to Beinart and Ben-Ami's message.
As a result, these ideas are moving gradually from the far left to the center-left of the Democratic base. And as the older generation of Democratic stalwarts gradually passes from the scene and new Democrats to the left of their predecessors enter the House and Senate and slowly climb the ranks, there will be an evolution within the Democratic Party."
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/11/09/is_j_street_winning
Violet_Crumble
(35,970 posts)I think if there's any gradual movement, it's so gradual that it's barely noticeable....
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is no "if" about the movement, and it's not gradual at all.
It's obviously quite noticeable as is evidenced by the OP and other articles like it.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)This is from the official page of Tammy Duckworth, one of the congressional members apparently not pro-Israel enough for Steve Rosen's liking:-
http://www.tammyduckworth.com/Israel/
"I firmly support the unique relationship between America and Israel. As the only true democracy in the Middle East, Israel is a vital strategic ally and a key economic partner to the United States. It is important to me that we continue to build the decades-long partnership between our two nations. One of my top priorities as a Member of Congress will be to support the safety and security of the State of Israel.
Our two nations shared values are at the core of the US - Israel relationship. I will strongly back continued aid to Israel under the 2007 Memorandum of Understanding in support of its security and those shared values. This is an investment that benefits both nations, increasing trade and driving cutting-edge research in a range of fields."
And so on. It continues for a good few paragraphs. You have to wonder exactly what kind of perspective exists these days when someone who makes such statements as:-
One of my top priorities as a Member of Congress will be to support the safety and security of the State of Israel.
is considered "anti-Israel".
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And the article suggests the opposite of what you are saying here.
Were you posting it for ironic purposes?
I thought you were suggesting you agreed with it.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)qualified that implication sufficiently. I thought the article was interesting, as compared with Steve Rosen's usually arid boilerplate, but I certainly don't agree with him on much.
I think that AIPAC and their like have clearly oriented in a pronounced right-wing direction over the past couple of years. For that matter, Israel has clearly become a much more right wing country in the same time frame. And the Republican Party, also, has become less of a conservative party and more of a right-wing populist party, particularly in this last election cycle. Its difficult to see how a typical grey-cardigan UK Tory conservative, for example, could find a home in today's Republican party.
However, I fail to see any real indication that the Democratic Party has become more of a party of the left. If anything it has become more centrist in orientation, in the case of foreign policy as well as in other respects.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I don't know that I've ever seen that much political money thrown down the toilet before.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Adelson is worth over $20 billion.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, all of his horses lost.
Just goes to show you that insanely wealthy AIPAC supporters do not have the impact on the American political process that some would have you believe.
Detroit Tigers knocked the NY Yankees out of the playoffs and so on.
I just find the idea that he is happy now and eager to continue throwing his money in the toilet unconvincing. He is not the first rich guy to find out that buying elections is trickier than buying a car.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)However, he is 80 years old and has more money than any human being could possibly know what to do with.
I actually do think he is eager to continue throwing his money in this particular toilet the next occasion he has to do so.
He gets a lot of attention and numerous people fawning over him anxious to make him happy to get access to some of his money.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Though those would probably be the same people for whom AIPAC is more of a catch-all than anything else. People who use terms like AIPAC/Israel Lobby/Jewish Lobby/Wealthy Jewish Donors/Israel Firsters/Hasbaristas interchangeably.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Thankfully we can agree on that much!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Poor ol' Seamus gets sympathy, Rafalca gets picked on.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Very insightful and perceptive piece.