Israel/Palestine

King_David

(14,851 posts) Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:02 PM Dec 2012

Jordanian Prince Condemned for Participating in Fundraiser for Jewish Group

Jordanian Prince Hassan bin Talal came under fire from his fellow countrymen this week, after Jordanian media outlets reported that he had attended a fundraiser for The Board of Deputies of British Jews (BDBJ). According to The Jerusalem Post, pictures showed the prince standing beside BDBJ president Vivian Wineman and the group’s treasurer Laurence Brass.

The Post reports that anti-Israel protestors have asked the royal family to distance itself from Prince Hassan’s decision to attend the fundraiser, saying, “We condemn Prince Hassan’s participation as it represents free service to the Zionist enemy and harms national causes as well as the prince himself and the royal family.”

Hassan’s support of the board is surprising, given recent tensions between Jordan and Israel. Indeed, tensions between the two countries are so great, that yesterday The Jewish Telegraph Agency reported that Jordan warned Israelis not to wear Jewish symbols or perform any Jewish rituals while visiting Jordan.

http://www.jewocity.com/blog/jordanian-prince-condemned-for-participating-in-fundraiser-for-jewish-group/6667

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Jordanian Prince Condemned for Participating in Fundraiser for Jewish Group (Original Post) King_David Dec 2012 OP

No bigots there. aquart Dec 2012 #1

Jordanian royalty is composed of a bunch of goofs delrem Dec 2012 #2

I agree , King_David Dec 2012 #3

Your stock in trade is the false generalization, delrem Dec 2012 #4

Ant Zionist... King_David Dec 2012 #5

Why weren't you led to their actual Wikipedia entry? oberliner Dec 2012 #6

you linked to the wrong group this is the wiki entry for the group in the article azurnoir Dec 2012 #8

No, you got it wrong oberliner Dec 2012 #9

yes you are right about that but it make clear why this move was protested azurnoir Dec 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author azurnoir Dec 2012 #7

aquart

(69,014 posts)

1. No bigots there.

Reply to King_David (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:10 PM

Dec 2012

delrem

(9,688 posts)

2. Jordanian royalty is composed of a bunch of goofs

Reply to King_David (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:20 AM

Dec 2012

...who should be deposed ASAP by a democratic movement.
The notion that some special bloodline is "blue" and designated by God or some universal law to rule over a people is totally medieval. I find middle eastern kings, queens, princes and princesses are particularly odious - and very few of them are actually supported by the majority of the people over whom they rule.

About this case, I wiki'ed the BDBJ and found it wasn't uncontroversial. I was led to wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Jewish_Voices
to find that there is in fact more than one voice, and that the issue can't be reduced entirely to one of bigot/not-bigot, good/evil, and that there might well be good reason why this Jordanian "prince" might be criticized for supporting (with $$$) this particular group, considering that as "prince" he claims to represent the Jordanian people.

King_David

(14,851 posts)

3. I agree ,

Reply to delrem (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:50 AM

Dec 2012

They should allow 1 man 1 vote in Jordan and probably have a Palestinian Majority Prime Minister.

It was a benefit for a Jewish Group not an Israeli group,and even if it was the 2 countries have a peace treaty ie :The Jordanian People.

Do you think The jordanian people would not want to support a Jewish Group?

delrem

(9,688 posts)

4. Your stock in trade is the false generalization,

Reply to King_David (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:16 AM

Dec 2012

in particular that anti-Zionist = anti-Semite, the purpose being to smear your political opponents with the slanderous allegation. Much easier that, than to offer a reasoned argument in favor of your opinion based in universal moral/ethical principle. So it's no wonder that you'd segue from "a Jordanian Prince" to "The Jordanian People", and from "BDBJ" to "a Jewish Group" - even though the point of my posting was to make these specific differences.

King_David

(14,851 posts)

5. Ant Zionist...

Reply to delrem (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:03 PM

Dec 2012

The belief that the Jews as a nation or people should not have a homeland is not anti Semitic ? ( Naturei Karta nuts who believe a Jewish homeland comes only after the messiah - excepted )

I don't believe that Zionism let alone antiZionism is up for debate .. That is correct .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113417963

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

6. Why weren't you led to their actual Wikipedia entry?

Reply to delrem (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:50 PM

Dec 2012

Which says this:

The Board of Deputies of British Jews is the main representative body of British Jews.

Founded in 1760 as a joint committee of the Sephardi (Spanish and Portuguese) and Ashkenazi (Central and Eastern European) Jewish communities in London, it has since become a widely recognised forum for the views of the different sectors of the UK Jewish community.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

8. you linked to the wrong group this is the wiki entry for the group in the article

Reply to delrem (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:17 PM

Dec 2012

In 2003, the Board, on its web site, reproduced an extract from a US State Department report that suggested that the aid organisation Palestinian Relief and Development Fund (Interpal) was helping to fund terrorist organisations. Interpal threatened to sue for libel, whereupon the Board retracted and apologized for its comments[3][4]

The Board became involved in the Oliver Finegold affair when the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone made comments to a Jewish reporter, Oliver Finegold, comparing him or the newspaper he worked for, to a concentration camp guard. Many individuals and media commentators objected to the remark. Along with the Commission for Racial Equality, the Board filed a complaint to the Standards Board for England, calling for the Mayor to apologize to the reporter. The Mayor made a statement condemning the Holocaust, but stood by his remarks to the journalist, mentioning in passing his belief that the Board of Jewish Deputies only represents a small section of the Jewish community.[5]

On 5 February 2007, a group of prominent British Jews, such as Nobel laureate Harold Pinter and lawyer Sir Geoffrey Bindman, launched an organization called Independent Jewish Voices to counterbalance what they perceive as uncritical support of Israel by major Jewish institutions in the UK, criticizing particularly the Board of Deputies of British Jews.[6]

This page was last modified on 9 October 2012 at 21:13.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Deputies_of_British_Jews

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

9. No, you got it wrong

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:46 PM

Dec 2012

The poster linked to the other group deliberately to make a point.

In fact, it seems to be the same point you are making with your Wikipedia excerpt.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

10. yes you are right about that but it make clear why this move was protested

Reply to oberliner (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:50 PM

Dec 2012

the other way made a better case for mere antisemitism rather than antioccupation politics thank you so much for pointing that out

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