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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:59 PM Feb 2013

Just Who Do They Represent: At Hagel Hearing, Concern for Israel Tops U.S. Troops in Combat

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"When Senator Mike Lee took his turn to cross-examine defense-secretary nominee Chuck Hagel during last Thursday’s confirmation hearing, he expressed considerable concern for Israel’s security.

“Let’s say those Palestinians who have engaged in acts of terrorism, perhaps in retaliation against Israel for Israel defending itself,” the Republican from Utah asked, ”do they have a legitimate gripe?”

Hagel responded that “terrorism can never be justified under any circumstances.”

Lee continued, bringing up the possibility that Israel might withdraw to its pre-1967 borders. “Do you view that as a tenable solution?” he asked Hagel. “Do you believe such borders are militarily defensible?”

This went on and on. In fact, Lee—by himself—made reference to Israel and its security a total of 16 times.

Why is this important? It’s important because Lee never mentioned Afghanistan and the 66,000 U.S. troops at war there.

And Lee was not alone."

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2013/02/04/just-who-do-they-represent-at-hagel-hearing-concern-for-israel-tops-u-s-troops-in-combat/#ixzz2JxTrBtbK


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Just Who Do They Represent: At Hagel Hearing, Concern for Israel Tops U.S. Troops in Combat (Original Post) Scurrilous Feb 2013 OP
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. I guess the Onion satire may be truer than we thought. Lionessa Feb 2013 #1
There was also an SNL skit prepared:- shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #15
A Cultural Breakthrough Scurrilous Feb 2013 #16
Well, they didnt show it shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #18
Btw, thanks for posting the video shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #19
‘SNL’ Lands in Hot Water With Anti-Defamation League Over Hagel Sketch Scurrilous Feb 2013 #21
Then US Congress is next! delrem Feb 2013 #22
Abe is an idiot, he should have said nothing..he just secured the control he claims the Israel Lobby Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #24
Great chart. Very telling.... /nt think Feb 2013 #2
The chart is a lie oberliner Feb 2013 #3
How is that? DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #4
what do you mean? n/t Inuca Feb 2013 #5
Check out the hearings oberliner Feb 2013 #6
I checked out the hearings, oberliner. delrem Feb 2013 #23
the question is why is Israel even an issue in a domestic appointment? azurnoir Feb 2013 #7
Because Israel is that slovenly guy still living in his parents' basement Scootaloo Feb 2013 #8
oh the mental picture that brings azurnoir Feb 2013 #9
I betcha I know what his DU handle is! n/t Scootaloo Feb 2013 #10
... Scurrilous Feb 2013 #11
every time i hear Mc Cain on Israel oldhippydude Feb 2013 #28
A Case of Hagelophobia and God Bless the Republicans: Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #12
seems to forget that these Democratic Senator's being shamed azurnoir Feb 2013 #13
I agree. I posted it as the author just puts its out there, no holds barred. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #14
That would be interesting indeed azurnoir Feb 2013 #20
Word use: "Israel" 7 times, "Jewish" 12 times delrem Feb 2013 #17
Seeing how Hagel was confirmed R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #25
Poor question for those who called Hagel Homophobic too nt King_David Feb 2013 #26
The clown in the article thinks it is important. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #27

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
16. A Cultural Breakthrough
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:12 PM
Feb 2013

After being banished from earnest Washington discussion for decades by various press gate-keepers, the absurdly overblown power of the Greater Israel lobby is now seeping into the popular culture. SNL captures the lunacy:



http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/11/a-cultural-breakthrough/

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
19. Btw, thanks for posting the video
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:47 AM
Feb 2013

not possible to watch hulu videos outside of the US, so its appreciated.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
21. ‘SNL’ Lands in Hot Water With Anti-Defamation League Over Hagel Sketch
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:53 PM
Feb 2013
An unaired sketch, posted online by NBC, lampoons the Defense secretary nominee’s Senate grilling—and, the ADL’s Abraham Foxman tells Lloyd Grove, reinforces the notion that Israel controls the government.

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"An unaired sketch from the Feb. 9 Saturday Night Live, lampooning beleaguered Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck Hagel’s confirmation hearing and the alleged influence of the pro-Israel lobby on the United States Senate, has prompted criticism from a group whose mission is fighting anti-Semitism.

The national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham H. Foxman, slammed the sketch—which wasn’t part of the live show but was released online by NBC—for potentially perpetuating anti-Semitic stereotypes.

NBC and SNL offered no response on Monday to Foxman’s complaint and usually don’t comment on the frequent criticisms of SNL’s comedy.

In the six-minute sketch, performed at SNL’s dress rehearsal, Hagel (played deadpan by Jason Sudeikis is grilled mercilessly by South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham (a drawling Bill Hader) about his published statement that the interests of the United States and Israel are not always identical. “Is this a typo?” Graham/Hader demands. “Are my eyes deceiving me? Does he think that our interests and those of Israel could ever be different?” And so on and so forth, as Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee fall all over themselves to prove their slavish devotion to the Jewish state.

The sketch culminates when a crotchety “Sen. John McCain” insists that Hagel answer a hypothetical question: would he agree to “go on national television and perform oral sex on a donkey” if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu determined it was vital to Israel’s security? When Hagel says no, McCain declares that he can’t vote to confirm him."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/11/snl-lands-in-hot-water-with-anti-defamation-league-over-hagel-sketch.html

delrem

(9,688 posts)
22. Then US Congress is next!
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:42 AM
Feb 2013

Since the SNL sketch didn't come close to that level of absurdity.
The US Congress show was painful to watch and the SNL skit didn't make it easier to choke down.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. Abe is an idiot, he should have said nothing..he just secured the control he claims the Israel Lobby
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:24 PM
Feb 2013

does not have.

And then there's this gem: It makes no difference, he said, that Michaels and many of the show’s writers and staffers happen to be Jewish. “That doesn’t excuse their insensitivity and their playing on stereotypes and selling stereotypes and forcing stereotypes,” he said.

Yea, it's what they live for..has nothing to do with reality.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Check out the hearings
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:51 PM
Feb 2013

Look at when they are asking about Israel and when they are asking about Afghanistan. The latter is often referenced without using the name of the country.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
23. I checked out the hearings, oberliner.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:46 AM
Feb 2013

If it were a parody it'd still be over the top. It doesn't make a lick of sense that it was real.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. the question is why is Israel even an issue in a domestic appointment?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:50 PM
Feb 2013

Iran as it relates to the US is understandable, but why is Israel's security an issue here? The simple fact that Israel is an ally doesn't quite cut it, so are many countries but their security was not mentioned, so why Israel?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. Because Israel is that slovenly guy still living in his parents' basement
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:21 PM
Feb 2013

He doesn't pay rent, but he does raid the fridge; his parents try to treat him like an adult, but frankly he dominates their lives like a very large infant that smells of sweat and doritos.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. oh the mental picture that brings
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:33 PM
Feb 2013

Bibi in t-shirt clutching a bag of Dorito's peering into the light of a computer screen in an otherwise dark room

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
28. every time i hear Mc Cain on Israel
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:48 PM
Feb 2013

I flash back to Mc Cain, and John Hagee the preacher, with his mixture of Christian fundamentalism, and Zionism... in 2000 Mc Cain thought he was nuts, and so stated.... in 2008 he actively courted Hagee's favor, trading in the straight talk express to match the Republican base... it sounds lie Mc Cain has adopted the right wing view as our foreign policy...

my guess is that those questions on Israel are more for the base than Hagel

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. A Case of Hagelophobia and God Bless the Republicans:
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:41 PM
Feb 2013

Shame on Jewish Democrats

Op-ed: Republican senators were the only ones who passionately grilled Hagel on his lack of support for Israel

Shoula Romano Horing
Published: 02.11.13, 11:46

Watching the Chuck Hagel US Senate confirmation hearings for secretary of defense, I almost became physically sick. To watch my fellow Jewish senators, all liberal Democrats, suck up to Obama and Hagel with softball questions against the interests of their own people and Israel was more than I could handle. The spectacle of southern Republicans senators, with almost no Jewish constituents in their states, standing up for the Jewish people and Israel against Hagel's evasive and nonsensical responses, while fellow Jews sat idly by, will stick with me for a long time.


Bless the Republicans for doing what is right while shame on my fellow Jews for not learning from history. The actions of these Jewish Democrats concerning the Hagel nomination do not bode well for the future of our people or Israel.


Committee chairman, Democratic Jewish Senator Carl Levin, who prior to the hearing had already indicated his support for Hagel's nomination by calling him "well qualified, included in his opening remarks only a reference to Hagel's "troubling statements" concerning Iran without specifics or follow up, with not even one mention of Israel. During the hearing it was Levin who called Hagel "a person of integrity" and came to his rescue when Hagel was confused about US policy regarding Iran and containment.

The other Jewish senator on the committee, Richard Blumenthal, totally ignored Hagel's record concerning Israel and only murmured his dismay that a man who had served the country had to endure strong inquiries from the Republicans. After the hearings, he stated that he would support Hagel despite the fact that most observers believed that Hagel looked confused, uninformed, and ill equipped for the position during the hearing.


It was the Republicans who were the first and only senators who challenged Hagel's previous statement on the Jewish lobby. "The political reality is … that the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here,” Hagel told former Mideast peace negotiator Aaron David Miller in a 2006 interview. “I have always argued against some of the dumb things they do because I don’t think it’s in the interest of Israel. I just don’t think it’s smart for Israel.” Senator Roger Wicker, a Mississippi Republican, pressed Hagel on whether he still believes that is true.

in full: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4343538,00.html

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. seems to forget that these Democratic Senator's being shamed
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:10 PM
Feb 2013

are Americans and as such vote in America's interests not Israel's

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
14. I agree. I posted it as the author just puts its out there, no holds barred.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:48 PM
Feb 2013

Hagel should be scheduled to accompany Obama on his trip to Israel, I think.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
17. Word use: "Israel" 7 times, "Jewish" 12 times
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:18 AM
Feb 2013

Articles like this promote the view that if a person is Jewish, then regardless of their country of citizenship their primary allegiance ought to be to Israel. Apparently ynet doesn't mind promoting that view even though many would say that it contributes to a racist meme. A word that comes to mind is "whipsaw", esp. w.r.t. I/P debates.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
27. The clown in the article thinks it is important.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:45 PM
Feb 2013
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/adelson-calls-hagel-anti-semitic-confirmation-shameful

Adelson Calls Hagel ‘Anti-Semitic,’ Confirmation ‘Shameful’

Casino mogul and top Republican donor Sheldon Adelson believes the nomination and now confirmation of Chuck Hagel as defense secretary is "shameful" due to his "associations," according to Nevada reporter Jon Ralston. Adelson also called Hagel "anti-Semitic."

Ralston had a chance encounter with Adelson Tuesday afternoon and picked his brain about Hagel.

He then launched into a mini-rant about Hagel, saying he can’t believe “this president” would have chosen someone who had made some of the statements he has made. Later, Adelson wryly suggested that after Hagel is confirmed, “He’s going to convert to Judaism” to show good faith. Then, Adelson added, “He’ll move to Israel.”

Adelson recounted that he had been talking to Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday evening, but wouldn't relay what Netanyahu had said to him.


I would love to have been a fly on the wall with the Sheldon/BiBi call. How many times do you believe that PBOs name was brought up?

I'm sure Sheldon was just gushing over the 2-termer.
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