about what happened 2-3000 years ago has no bearing whatsoever on the current I/P problem, and that those who reference it in any way either as justification or to malign are treading on quicksand? I would.

Or are you emotively attached to stories of 3000 years ago, of King David of Israel, and because of those emotive attachments think those stories trump all?

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and that it is becoming accepted

but it's great to see Yossi Gurvitz writing for +972 he is an interesting character he was raised ain an Orthodox Family but became an atheist as an adult, something he has referred to as "seeing the light" about religion in general I would guess
because he did not convert to another religion as such

It's a general truth, not confined to I/P.
What's heartbreaking is that in this case military occupation has been going on for so many decades, the same old rationalizations and narrative has continually been updated and embellished by the victorious party, to the point where it's become a farce - and there's nothing to be done about it because the victorious party has absolute military power, has a permanent UN veto, and has created a mass media supported WoT of such scope that the common citizens of the victorious powers have been brainwashed into a state where they quite simply don't give a shit about the consequences.

is that The Occupation and all that goes with it has become entrenched as the norm a regular part of everyday life, it seems for the occupiers

K &R

Seriously, you ought to consider combining these little vignettes into one post.

You can just have one running 972mag thread and just add replies each day with the articles that you like the most.

That was it can stay kicked to the top as one post that people can come back to again and again as you add the daily 972mag links.

certain information which you were affirmative about including +972, Mondoweiss, and Electronic Intifada

we discussed it last week here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=30922

I am recommending one thread at the top of the page with every 972mag article that this poster deems worth reading.

That way they can be all together on the top of the page in one thread for all to read.

No "muzzling" or "censorship" involved.

As for Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss - why not do something similar?

That way, those who want to read op-eds and such from those sites can do so, but news stories from the wires can avoid being buried amongst them.

sticky this
http://www.hasbarafellowships.org/

and to be a bit more particular the home team (tm) need only link to something like this
http://www.hasbarafellowships.org/cgblog/427/46/Settlements-are-not-the-obstacle-to-peace

ta da!

In extreme cases, the collaboration between the army and the settlers is even tighter. After the murder of the Fogel family in Itamar, the army went on a rampage in the village of Awarta, with soldiers causing deliberate damage to food and property – but this wasn’t enough for the soldiers. Settlers reported (Hebrew) that soldiers allowed them to move through the roadblocks so they could reach the village and cause some more damage. In one case, it was claimed, a soldier gave a nightstick to a settler and asked him to use it in his stead.

The IDF insists on claiming it does not “choose its missions,” hence it is supposed to be above political conflict. However, in the last 30 years, the main mission of the IDF has been operating the occupation, and it is increasingly becoming a private-settler militia. This, by the way, would be true even if the settlers described in the complaint behaved impeccably: they come and go with military escorts, soldiers whose service is increasingly dedicated to providing security details to civilians who have willingly chosen to live in an area held under wartime conditions.

This has severe implications both for the IDF – militias are not all that good facing regular armies – and on Israeli democracy. The feeling is that events such as the one detailed above, which used to receive plenty of attention from the media, no longer do so. More and more, the citizens of Israel are getting accustomed to the occupation as the natural order of things; and when something is seen as normal, as normal as paying your taxes every month, it is that much harder to reverse.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113431660