Certainly not the U.S. This topic is where on the list of concerns at the latest AIPAC
conference?

there are a few that obviously consider the West Bank part of Israel

I have it on good authority, by a well meaning circus clown, that Israel is attacked like this day and night by enemies in the international community and human rights groups: intent on its destruction.

If they would just look the other way or mind their own business then Israel can get on with the hard work of expanding empire; albeit on the backs of some children, mothers, fathers and others: really a small amount when you count them all by their detainee process numbers.

Just look at it this way. Most of the prisoners oops (silly me, there I go again) terrorists that Israel detains, indefinitely without charge or otherwise, may only be tortured a little during their indefinite stay. Yes there have been deaths, but the IDF goes to great lengths to report that they have done nothing wrong. Isn't that what really matters in the end for a respected country...and may I remind you the only democracy in the middle east?

And as for unfortunately shooting Palestinian children in the back? Well if they wouldn't resist so much they might only enjoy a indefinite stay, a few rounds of abuse and the ever slight possibility that they might expire all of a sudden; which is in all fairness limited and better than being shot in the back.

Reports of the rape and abuse of Kurdish children and juveniles held in Pozanti Prison, Adan, have caused a storm of outrage. Evrensel newspaper broke this story, which has made headlines across the Turkish media, with first-hand accounts of beatings, psychological violence, humiliation and rape of children who were imprisoned for throwing stones at the police on political demonstrations but were put in the same cells as adult prisoners sentenced for criminal offences.

http://kurdistantribune.com/2012/unicef-must-act-on-abuse-of-kurdish-children-turkish-prisons/

Kurds protest against Turkey’s violation of children’s rights

In response to the horrifying news of Kurdish children being subject to abuse, rape and administrative misconduct at Pozanti prison in Turkey, Kurdish activists staged a protest in London on yesterday. They met with UNICEF official Jon Sparkes to discuss the sexual abuse of Kurdish children, which has received little international attention. The storming of UNICEF by Kurdish youth came after phone calls and emails were ignored.

The activists made several demands to UNICEF. They urged the necessity of issuing a public statement to highlight Turkey’s growing record of Human Rights abuses towards Kurdish children in prison, who are often put with adults. Turkey’s violations have been ignored by international organisations that have been set up with the aim of preventing and highlighting abuse against children.

http://kurdishrights.org/2012/03/02/kurds-protest-against-turkeys-violation-of-childrens-rights/

that was your purpose right?

Everybody knows how offensive that term is, right?

No Minor Matter
Violation of the Rights of Palestinian Minors Arrested
by Israel on Suspicion of Stone Throwing

http://www.btselem.org/download/201107_no_minor_matter_eng.pdf

Too bad the Israeli government won't stop the practice.

Why do you think that is?

And since they haven't, what makes them credible on human rights?

If you don't believe me, write the human rights group yourself.

What do you think of Arafat saying this:

"the Palestinian child holding a stone, facing a tank - is that not the greatest message to the world, when that hero becomes a 'martyr'?"

Are you appalled by that?

them this video you found at Mental Zero. Maybe they'll respond.
Btw shira, this is the last time I will ever click on one of your links.

Other video's to be found at Mental Zero are:

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you would, I guess.

...about the movement you support.

...look the other way due to politics are disgraceful.

but I do see that a kid was run over by a Jewish settler being used by someone for something here

The video shows an ambush with adults encouraging children to attack innocents.

There was nothing the driver could've done & yet you place all the blame on that person.

You asked me the other day what was dishonest about anti-zionism. This is a great example. I don't think it's possible for any of you to ever get any story right, whether this one or the bus story or whatever....

...you finally learned that the term isn't derogatory?

It'd be nice to know since you post and alert so often here at I/P.

Gonna come at last

Now your crosses

Are burning fast

Southern man...

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Perhaps this a Meta-Related conniption that you need to share elsewhere.

Now back to the story in the OP.

your 'analysis' here is faulty and I am being extraordinarily polite, anyone watching the vid can plainly see what happened the driver of car had a choice and chose the softer target, that being the kid

can answer that for some reason?

...as it's very likely this incident wouldn't have happened as it did w/o all the cameras around.

himself?

or the adults or any Palestinian present but the Israeli settler is innocent in fact according to you actually the victim here

In no real court of law would the driver be charged.

I don't think you really believe the driver is guilty. Well, not guilty of anything other than being a settler and that's why you want the book thrown at him.

even the narrator who tells that what we're seeing is not really what's happening can change the fact that the driver swerved directly into the kid but still it's all the Palestinian's fault your still contending that the victim here is poor settler

why aren't you?

....would you be blaming the driver as you're doing here?

Really now.

I don't think so...

but to blame the driver, no matter what ethnic/religious group he belonged to

He swerved to his left. Had he swerved the other way, he'd have hit people on the right side of the road (left side of the screen we're looking at). You'd be blaming him either way.

Pathetic.

he might have sideswiped the a stone wall on the other side of the road slightly, it might well have caused more damage to his car than hitting the kid did, but that at least IMO doesn't justify hitting the kid

to write B'Tselem and send the video to them too.

to convince. I am quite serious, send them the video and your concerns.

Just think, if they review your sources and confirm your claims you'll be vindicated
by a credible human rights group. If they do not, then you can always try another
video..from wherever it is you find these things.

Give it a shot, shira.

...posts about Israeli human rights violations using sources like B'tselem.

Nothing but denial.

I can't even get an answer out of you for that Arafat quote.

Chilling.

Let's remember this thread, okay?

Bookmarked, I assure you.


The shira vs B'Tselem thread..good info.

it seems to be because you posted twice on the same thread, tell us why?

he claims there is a black jeep parked as so to block the settlers view, except that the jeep is parked behind the settlers car as that car comes into view we;re also told by the same narrator that an (unidentified) car pulls up along side the settler it actually pulls up behind him, and still the settler could easily have veered the other way but chose not to

only certain participants were

...you can't blame only the Palestinians. The blame must be shared, proving my point once again.

that tells us something other than what we are seeing

No western democratic court would charge the driver.

One smear after the next, in a very transparent attempt to defame Israel.

Why not just admit it?

You also wrote earlier you were a humanist. And yet, you have nothing to say about adults encouraging Palestinian kids to not only put themselves in harm's way (as seen in the video) but also endanger & terrorize others.

Let's remember this thread, okay?

....in that video, encouraged by adults to endanger themselves and others. Thank you!

My question WRT the OP is where are the parents? Where's UNICEF to hold the responsible adults accountable? Many kids would not be in Israeli Juvenille Detention if not for the adults responsible.

I also asked for you to comment on Arafat's vile statement:

This child, who is grasping the stone, facing the tank, is it not the greatest message to the world when that hero becomes a martyr? We are proud of them.

On Palestinian Authority Television (2002-01-15)


All of a sudden you're quiet.

Why?

=============

ps,
Israel is doing what it should do - cooperating with UNICEF since this report.

And you can introduce anything that you want to drive attention away from it as well...whatever the flavor of the day is...Tibet, China, smoke and mirrors.

Now back to the article.

when we were "discussing" the Goldstone report and I pointed out the IDF's own investigation confirmed almost every incident reported therein, she simply dismissed the IDF's own report as "antisemitic."



I guess I can't expect a whole lot from someone who calls for flotillas to Tibet.

and the narrator guides us through every frame but even that cannot explain away the driver intentionally steering into the kids to hit them he had room to veer the other way and made a very deliberate choice not to end of story

Tell me, what responsibility do the adults there who were encouraging such behavior have? Also, the parents of the kids..

as I said upthread all the actual adults should be charged

How do you know the driver deliberately tried to hit the kids? The video shows him honking his horn and swerving. There was a car parked on the street hindering his view of what was about to commence. He had a child in his own car.

Seriously, only a Kafkaesque court would charge the driver.

you'd be better off saying the kid intentionally self martyred or something as the vid can not disprove that

I believe that somebody is trying in vain to derail this important conversation.

The OP points out two things: the systematic mistreatment is institutionalized, and what's worse, Palestinian children are being processed through a *military* detention system.

Something makes me think that if some country X over-ran Israel, and occupied it, and started snatching Israeli children off the streets and detaining them, even while building separation walls to fence the Israeli Jewish nationals into isolated ghettos separate from X-only settlements connected by X-only roads and served by X-only buses and transport systems. And that if the homes of the Israeli Jewish nationals were bulldozed, the Israeli Jewish villages and towns were wiped off the map and the Israeli place names were replaced by X place names so all physical and historical traces of Israel were made to vanish, and if the Israeli Jewish refugees who fled in terror lost all rights forever, except *maybe* the right to return to a designated fenced off ghetto in an "X-territory" if and only if they sign an oath of allegiance to X which recognizes the sovereign rights of X nationals supersedes those of Israeli Jewish nationals. Then I suppose that pro-Israelis like oberliner and shira and the rest of that crowd would be pissed off.

I dunno why, but I just think they would be supremely pissed off. That they wouldn't like it and wouldn't try to defend it or to divert discussion of it onto subjects like the extraordinary morality of the XDF, the superiority of the X civilization as compared to that of the Israeli terrorists who throw rocks, and so on through the list of inane diversions listed in Xbara propaganda leaflets... I dunno why, but if the situation were somehow reversed I think oberliner and shira would have a different sense of proportionality.

But who am I to say.