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King_David

(14,851 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:40 AM Mar 2013

Opinion: Israelis have no need for debate on peace



MONTREAL - As Air Force One touched down in Israel this week, commentary surrounding President Barack Obama’s first official trip to the Jewish state has emphasized modest expectations. The trip saw no grandiose peace plan or surprise announcements. That the Obama administration took such an approach can be explained by a myriad of domestic and regional factors. But to understand Israel’s motivation, one need not look no further than the recent Israeli election.

In January, Israeli voters confirmed what pollsters were saying throughout the campaign: Israeli elections do not revolve around the Palestinian conflict. Survey research showed that Israelis were largely focused on issues common to most Western countries — government spending, taxation, and the rising cost of essential goods and services. Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party lost ground on both the political right and left precisely because his opponents delivered a clear message of socioeconomic change. This was most evident in the rise of the centrist Yesh Atid (“There is a Future”) party, which today controls the finance ministry and other key portfolios in the new government.

For many Western observers, the prevalence of domestic issues in Israel simply does not compute. Regular media coverage of the region (including last November’s war between Israel and Hamas) tends to reinforce a one-dimensional view of Israelis. It begs the question: Why did Israeli public debate focus on fiscal deficits and housing costs, rather than peace with the Palestinians?

The reason is that the debate about peace has long been resolved. Israelis overwhelmingly support it. For decades, polls have consistently shown that Israelis — by a wide margin — favour a peace accord that includes Palestinian statehood. This explains why two Israeli Prime Ministers (Ehud Barak in 2000-01, and Ehud Olmert in 2008) offered statehood to the Palestinian leadership conditional upon the signing of a peace agreement. Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas refused those proposals and offered none of their own, and peace has since remained elusive.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Opinion+Israelis+have+need+debate+peace/8139855/story.html#ixzz2OTL4zUJy



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Opinion: Israelis have no need for debate on peace (Original Post) King_David Mar 2013 OP
Author: Luciano G. Del Negro delrem Mar 2013 #1
ha ha ha ha, thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #2
So what you trying to say? King_David Mar 2013 #3
It's important to know the author of an opinion piece. delrem Mar 2013 #4
Yes your right , King_David Mar 2013 #5
Well, the Montreal Gazette is English language. delrem Mar 2013 #6
I was talking about provincially which is the only Government that counts in Quebec politics . King_David Mar 2013 #10
No, it isn't the only Govt that counts in Quebec. delrem Mar 2013 #12
Yes it is , King_David Mar 2013 #17
sigh. idiots.... delrem Mar 2013 #19
Some probably vote for Quebec Solidaire Ken Burch Mar 2013 #8
"It's important to know the author of an opinion piece." oberliner Mar 2013 #14
actually it not important....ideas dont belong to anyone.... pelsar Mar 2013 #22
The Parole Board isn't exactly a "community organization". Ken Burch Mar 2013 #7
Is a government patronage appointment nt King_David Mar 2013 #9
Its a cool name though shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #11
Or lead a killer salsa band. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #28
OMG! holdencaufield Mar 2013 #13
Someone forget to turn the lights on at your place?? nt delrem Mar 2013 #15
He's not Jewish oberliner Mar 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Mar 2013 #18
Have you got official papers to prove it? delrem Mar 2013 #20
What I thought was weird oberliner Mar 2013 #24
Where was the attack on the content? delrem Mar 2013 #25
Not sure oberliner Mar 2013 #26
It means delrem Mar 2013 #27
What makes you think/know he is Jewish? oberliner Mar 2013 #21
You were correct in your 1st post, King_David Mar 2013 #23

delrem

(9,688 posts)
1. Author: Luciano G. Del Negro
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 03:00 PM
Mar 2013

Luciano G. Del Negro's Overview

Current
Vice President, Quebec region at Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs
Past
Executive Director at Quebec- Israel Committee
Member at Immigration and Refugee Board
Member at Quebec Parole Board

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. It's important to know the author of an opinion piece.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 03:38 PM
Mar 2013

What use is listing an opinion without that info???

p.s. I *always* look up info on authorship of articles, whether pure opinion like this or a piece of pure scholarship or, as increasingly prevalent in the yellow press aka MSM, a half&half bastardization.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
5. Yes your right ,
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 03:49 PM
Mar 2013

Odds are that he's a Liberal Party voter too since most Quebec Jews are Liberal Party supporters , they don't vote for the Party Québécois .

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. Well, the Montreal Gazette is English language.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 04:06 PM
Mar 2013

Doesn't mean he couldn't be Tory, or NDP, or Green. To say nothing of the fact that many of those who support a strong mixed economy (socialism/free-market) would have no problem voting PQ if it were strategically best - there's a huge number of "English Canadians" who strongly support the Quebecois culture and wouldn't think twice about voting PQ to keep the likes of e.g. Harper out. Canada is a robust multicultural multinational state with a free-ranging parliamentary system that seems to function best when there's a minority rather than a majority federal gov't (such gov'ts tend to be "center left", where a huge "center" majority in Canada is very strongly defensive of such things a single-payer NHC system, etc.)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. I was talking about provincially which is the only Government that counts in Quebec politics .
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:09 PM
Mar 2013

The National Assembly so to speak.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
17. Yes it is ,
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:52 PM
Mar 2013

Provincial governments call referendums and hold the future of Quebec and Canada at stake , québécois in the federal government are few and far between and of little importance.
Previously prime ministers came from Quebec but those days are over.
The most important government within Quebec is the provincial government , they even objected to last weeks Federal budget because it had new projects and money for job training and they said they didn't want anything to do with this federal initiative .

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. "It's important to know the author of an opinion piece."
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:07 PM
Mar 2013

Amen to that.

I wish everyone agreed.

pelsar

(12,283 posts)
22. actually it not important....ideas dont belong to anyone....
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 07:49 AM
Mar 2013

the problem with identity politics as one sees here, is that it places ideas with a particular person or party, therefore making the idea "good or bad, not based on its merits but based on "who said it."

which is a rather lazy and immature way of looking at an idea, it does have the advantage however of having a group agreeement via the groupthink mentality all can agree on all ideas, based on who said them, thereby reducing the need to actually think about any particular idea and maybe even "disagree with the group" (ohhh horrors of horrors.....you might be barred from playing together!)


just for fun who said this and no googling:
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.

so if the right person said this..i guess its ok.....

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
11. Its a cool name though
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:12 PM
Mar 2013

A man with a name like "Luciano del Negro" sounds like he could get shit done.

Response to oberliner (Reply #16)

delrem

(9,688 posts)
20. Have you got official papers to prove it?
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:10 AM
Mar 2013

Can you prove he isn't Kenyan?
Can you prove he isn't a Marxist?

Can you prove that the reactions of holdencaulfield, oberliner and you are "very weird", rather than being normal for you three?

Do you want to hire Orly Taitz to prove your case?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. What I thought was weird
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 09:25 PM
Mar 2013

That his job advocating for Israel was cited as a way of attacking the content of the article.

I mean, aren't there a lot of articles posted here by Palestinian advocates?

delrem

(9,688 posts)
25. Where was the attack on the content?
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:04 PM
Mar 2013

Surely you aren't claiming that my post, which consisted in its entirety of a copy/paste of some bio info on the author, attacked either the author or the content of his article?

That isn't how my post was meant. I meant one thing and one thing only, to post info on the background of the author. The fact that the author has a job advocating for Israel shouldn't suggest to anybody that he does anything but that, in his official capacity - and it certainly shouldn't suggest that he should be condemned for doing his job and/or stating his opinion in an op-ed. Not IMO at any rate. IMO the only thing such info should suggest is that the author of the article has a particular bias, so while the article might be informative it is still true that taking that bias into account makes perfect sense.

We live in a complex world, in one sense a "global village" but in another sense a fractured shell that's been continuously at war for centuries - quite literally everyone being a victim. News and views found in "the media" should always be taken with a grain of salt and checked, sourced, and critiqued, the intent being to expand one's breadth of understanding of the broad range of a subject. It is never good enough to have some limited second or third-hand awareness of some particular facts, and some particular pundits' opinions about those isolated facts.

I know I have to be preaching to the converted, here, leaving me confused regarding the basis for your critique of my post.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
27. It means
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:46 PM
Mar 2013

"Thanks for the info (haha, such a bias should've been included in the OP, considering the volatility of the subject matter)"
What else could it mean?

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