Doesn't Netanyahu have something of contempt for the US, figuring that they can always and easily be played? (I recall some vid where Bibi is giving homespun advice to the younger generation, on how to deal with Palestinians and the USA).

So in this case I understand it naturally, like I understand when a musical theme is repeated throughout a piece.

Very popular in some corners.

I don't know if it's so much "popular" as "of interest", because I think it's markedly of interest but I don't know about "popular".

What's interesting about the vid is that the homespun quality of it raises the same knackles that Ronald Reagan raised, with his grandfatherly ways.

lemme try to recall - I watched it once, at least half a year ago.
So Bibi is having a one on one conversation with a youth, a youth just passing the age of reason and showing how well he learned his lessons. On advice of those lessons, the youth is properly forthright in his demands. A very proud moment for the parents. Bibi is appropriately understanding of the end goal, but a bit more conniving in his advice regarding how to get there. So Bibi is teaching a youngster about his political craft, and that has to be "very interesting", don't you think?

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or does he seem to say one thing and do another?

Would it be this delrem ?

here is Gideon Levi's take on it @
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/tricky-bibi-1.302053

Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin promised "many Elon Morehs," but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit, to mock America, trick the Palestinians and lead us all astray. The man in the video betrays himself in his own words as a con artist, and now he is again prime minister of Israel. Don't try to claim that he has changed since then. Such a crooked way of thinking does not change over the years.

Forget the Bar-Ilan University speech, forget the virtual achievements in his last visit to the United States; this is the real Netanyahu. No more claims that the Palestinians are to blame for the failure of the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu exposed the naked truth to his hosts at Ofra: he destroyed the Oslo accords with his own hands and deeds, and he's even proud of it. After years in which we were told that the Palestinians are to blame, the truth has emerged from the horse's mouth.

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These remarks are profoundly depressing. They bear out all of our fears and suspicions: that the government of Israel is led by a man who doesn't believe the Palestinians and doesn't believe in the chance of an agreement with them, who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes. There's no point in talking about Netanyahu's impossible rightist coalition as an obstacle to progress. From now on, just say that Netanyahu doesn't want it.

Here's an uncut version, with subtitles (I had to pause frequently to read along).

I gather that oberliner thinks because it was "12 years ago", that Bibi has changed. But the Bibi in that video is a mature politician, very unlikely to change, much more likely to harden and refine his techniques. And there's now rather a lot of evidence that's exactly what Bibi did - that he didn't have some epiphany "but, but, that would be wrong!", and instead he doubled down on it.

Too bad that, even knowing this what what was being voted for, he so recently won re-election. But then, his voters, the few who gave a shit, no doubt said things like "but that was 12 yrs ago and of course he's changed!". And none, not one of his voters would admit to the continuing deceit, however obvious it is.

security zone' by his definition of course

I'm not too sure that the poster you mentioned think Bibi has changed or is attempting to cast doubt on his being the same, the proof however is the fact that settlement building has increased exponentially under his reign

I should tell you that I've put a certain, ah, screecher on ignore (permanently, irrevocably), which means my logged in view of I/P is cut by more than half. The nastiness crossed a red line wide as the Mississippi river (however wide that is...) It's a *much* better view, the hate is cut by at least 90%. But it means that I don't see OPs, threads or subthreads begun by said person.

I did it for my own health.

myself though perhaps after 7 1/2 years of this I've become jaded or something

and anyone who votes for Likud or votes Right knows exactly what Bibi stands for .

He is the same Bibi as the one that stood smiling on the balcony as the Right wing crowd below held pictures of Rabin in SS uniform at a rally before the assassination.
The real Bibi is the one that used incitement against Rabin and Oslo .
The real Bibi’s core is Greater Israel , there cannot and there will not be a Palestinian State under his leadership . It goes against everything Likud stands for .

http://jcpa.org/article/what-happened-to-the-jordan-valley/?print=1

Bibi made the exact same argument as Rabin.

Now go on and tell us how much you loved Rabin....

you dont have a clue .

Bibi and Rabin were worlds apart .

And yes I loved him ... and I hate those that murdered him and murdered any chance of Peace that he represented .

I would suggest that you go get yourself an education , start by reading Murder in the name of God: the plot to kill Yitzhak Rabin @

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/michael-karpin/murder-in-the-name-of-god/

Was Rabin against Oslo ?
No .
Bibi was against Oslo and against Rabin .

Do you seriously think we all love each other over here shira ?

Far from it .

According to Netanyahu, holding such a view means being against Oslo.

So which is it?

Was Rabin ignorant about Oslo, or was he like Bibi and against it?

How do you square the circle? Don't run away from the question....

You are so transparent shira , next you will be quoting Barry Chamish to me

You will never understand us in a thousand years .

Here try ....

The Derailment of Peace: Rabin Assassination, Democracy and Post - Conflict Agendas

http://www.kibush.co.il/show_file.asp?num=2779

The centrality of Rabin’s leadership within the Oslo process made it necessary to strike at him personally, initially by attacking his public image with placards, slander and defamation, and, when that proved ineffective, by assassinating him.
The groups that opposed Rabin and the Oslo process stood against not only peace and compromise, but the process of democratization as well. According to their positions and actions they represented anti-democratic forces that refused to give up the special rights and privileges provided to them by the Jewish state and by military rule over the Palestinians, and by the continuous confiscation of Palestinian Lands. These groups used anti-democratic methods, such as the violation of laws and the exercise of violence against the government’s peace policy, of which Rabin’s assassination was the most extreme expression. The majority of Rabin’s opponents claimed that his rule and authority to make peace was illegitimate, arguing that “he has no mandate” to make concessions, and that he should not rely on the support of Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel and their parties.

Enjoy .

so sorry did I destroy your chance of quoting Barry Chamish ?

1. You claimed security was was just a rightwing excuse when Rabin used the same argument.

2. You claim the keeping of the Jordan Valley is rightwing, when Rabin argued the same just 1 month before his assassination.


You should be embarrassed, but I don't believe fanatic zealots are embarrassed easily.

I've been corrected by an American tourist

....and called a $ fanatic zealot $ by one to

Talking of fanatic zealots and embarrassment ...howz Jonathan Jay Pollard doing shira ?

You remind me a lot of him

Pretending one day to be post-Zionist, a 2-stater, and a lover of Rabin, only to spew positions that are anti-Zionist, 1-state, and anti-Rabin.

You can't fool everyone all the time...

fool everyone all the time shira ... you havent fooled me for a minute .

Would you like to meet up next time your over here ?

I could introduce you to the other side .... the pork eating , beer drinking Hellenists

I'm also a pork eating, beer drinking Hellenist.

Secretary of State John Kerry postponed a planned trip Monday to Israel and three other Mideast countries to participate in White House discussions, said officials who weren’t authorized to speak publicly on the matter and demanded anonymity.

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/178341/kerry-postpones-israel-trip-to-join-syria-talks/#ixzz2Vt6lrTOQ