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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:42 PM Jun 2013

Israel debates branding settler price tag attacks 'terrorism'

So-called price tag attacks on Palestinian property by West Bank settlers and their supporters have surged this year. Israel wonders if it should call the attacks 'terrorism.'

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"Frustrated at their inability to stem a spike in violence against West Bank Palestinians by Jewish settlers with so-called "price tag" attacks, over the weekend Israeli law enforcement authorities came within a whisker of getting permission to treat the attackers like terrorists.

Israel’s security cabinet on Sunday gave wider authority to Israel’s defense ministry to go after price taggers, but stopped short of adopting recommendations from Israel’s justice and police ministers to declare the attacks a form of terrorism. That hesitation was reportedly because of objections by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Attacks by right-wing vigilantes have surged this year. But few arrests or indictments have been made after they have desecrated West Bank mosques, damaged Palestinian cars, and scrawled graffiti outside the residences of Israeli peace activists. The number of incidents during the first five months of 2013 nearly matched the figure of 200 for all of last year, a phenomenon which Israeli authorities say risks touching off a Palestinian intifada and has embarrassed Israel internationally.

But in a country that reflexively associates terrorism with suicide bombings by Palestinian militants, the proposal to make the rare link of "terrorism" to Israelis has sparked a debate about just what is meant by the term."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0617/Israel-debates-branding-settler-price-tag-attacks-terrorism
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Israel debates branding settler price tag attacks 'terrorism' (Original Post) Scurrilous Jun 2013 OP
what on earth is a price tag attack? mitchtv Jun 2013 #1
they are acts of 'revenge' perpetrated by Israeli settlers against Palestinians azurnoir Jun 2013 #2
This is entirely incorrect oberliner Jun 2013 #3
destruction of property is not violence? not torching cars and mosques desecrating graves azurnoir Jun 2013 #4
But you don't believe throwing rocks at civilians is terror... shira Jun 2013 #5
your article is dated Tuesday 30 December 1997 azurnoir Jun 2013 #6
When you can't see that rock-throwing @ innocents is terror.... shira Jun 2013 #14
and we've been told when settlers do it azurnoir Jun 2013 #16
Let's see you deny it again. Is rock-throwing "resistance" terror? n/t shira Jun 2013 #17
"Is rock-throwing "resistance" terror?" azurnoir Jun 2013 #18
See? You still can't admit it. Amazing... n/t shira Jun 2013 #19
***cough*** clear throat azurnoir Jun 2013 #20
Violence is using physical force against another person, no? oberliner Jun 2013 #7
That is one meaning yes but not the only one n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #8
Oh really? The settler "price taggers" are non-violent, now. delrem Jun 2013 #9
Pretty funny coming from someone who thinks rock-throwing at innocents... shira Jun 2013 #15
and here they are : Israeli Jun 2013 #11
Israel: We really are at our wit's end trying to stop these settler attacks shaayecanaan Jun 2013 #10
Actually if this passes, Israel's settler "terrorists" can be said to be worse.... shira Jun 2013 #22
from today's news : Israeli Jun 2013 #12
Or they could just go ahead and call them policy Scootaloo Jun 2013 #13
Right. Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #21

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. they are acts of 'revenge' perpetrated by Israeli settlers against Palestinians
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jun 2013

Price tag policy (Hebrew: מדיניות תג מחיר is, according to B'Tselem, the name given to "acts of random violence aimed at the Palestinian population and Israeli security forces"[1] by radical Israeli settlers, who, according to the New York Times, "exact a price from local Palestinians or from the Israeli security forces for any action taken against their settlement enterprise"The Wall Street Journal states that the term refers to "a campaign of retribution by fundamentalist Israeli youths against Palestinians in the West Bank".[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag_policy

they also occur in Israel proper

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. This is entirely incorrect
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jun 2013

I would encourage not to rely on Wikipedia for your information.

Peace Now lists what it considers to be the major price tag attacks of the past two years.

Almost none of them involve violence of any kind. Usually graffiti, sometimes destruction of property.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. destruction of property is not violence? not torching cars and mosques desecrating graves
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:50 PM
Jun 2013

wow heard it here first folks

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. When you can't see that rock-throwing @ innocents is terror....
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jun 2013

...what's the point going on?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. and we've been told when settlers do it
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jun 2013

it's non-violent but when Palestinians do it then it's terror nope no double standards there


up next

any time someone has been injured by a rock......... thrown by a Palestinian that is

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. "Is rock-throwing "resistance" terror?"
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jun 2013

that's incomprehensible but don't let that stop the accusations, your really good at spinning stuff out nothing

but it seems any resistance by Palestinians is terror or so we're told

However some IDF soldier uses a teargas canister as a weapon by aiming it at the head of demon strater and it's defending Israel's right to exist or something

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Violence is using physical force against another person, no?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jun 2013

That's what I've always taken it to mean.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
9. Oh really? The settler "price taggers" are non-violent, now.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:57 AM
Jun 2013

Strange how many reports I've read where "price taggers" have been given a wink by the IDF, which stands by to protect them. Strange how the "price taggers" are free to set fire to Olive groves, and to enter Palestinian neighborhoods fully armed and with impunity, the IDF standing by.

Strange how so many go all the way and settle in "outposts", many of which endure and become new "settlements". Strange how the Palestinian point of view - say the point of view of a family whose house, property, farmland, has been sprayed with "skunk" - is ignored, deleted from Israeli accounts. Strange how that, too, isn't considered "terror". Nor the night raids, the kidnapping and jailing of Palestinians by the IDF. The arbitrariness of it all. That, too, isn't considered "terror". And nor is it "terror" when a whole village of Palestinians in area C is forced to relocate, in a "population transfer" 100% determined by Israeli policy.
Any more than the "lawful and just" relocation of the Bedouin of the Negev into ghettos separated from the mainstream Israeli economy, in favor of Jewish only settlements and development.

Here's why all that isn't considered "terror". Because all that is product of a complete lack of empathy, of fellow human feeling.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. Pretty funny coming from someone who thinks rock-throwing at innocents...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jun 2013

...is a form of non-violent resistance.

How adorable.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
11. and here they are :
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 04:34 AM
Jun 2013
"Price Tag" Escalation Timeline: Jan 1, 2011 - present

The following is a timeline of major "Price Tag" attacks (as reported by Israeli sources). It documents a clear escalation in attacks, and the increasing spread of attacks inside the Green Line. Italics indicate so-called "triggers" - events or developments that appear to be linked to subsequent attacks - although as has been noted in the Israeli press, "According to the Shin Bet, the right-wing extremists no longer appear to need a 'trigger' to take action, while the targets of the violence are also widening...

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http://peacenow.org/entries/price_tag_timeline


shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
10. Israel: We really are at our wit's end trying to stop these settler attacks
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 01:04 AM
Jun 2013

"We have tried absolutely everything, from doing nothing, to tut-tutting in government press releases, to doing nothing again."

"I know, its amazing right? We can apparently intercept artillery rockets in mid-air, but as yet the precise means of preventing youths from torching mosques is beyond us. Its just so frustrating."

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
22. Actually if this passes, Israel's settler "terrorists" can be said to be worse....
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:47 AM
Jun 2013

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)

...than Hamas and Islamic Jihad "militants".

A terrorist is worse than a militant, right?

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ETA:
The Guardian labels Hamas merely as a 'conservative' group...
http://cifwatch.com/2013/06/24/harriet-sherwood-characterizes-hamas-a-conservative-group/

Obviously, price-tag settlers are far worse.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
12. from today's news :
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 05:02 AM
Jun 2013
Two days after cabinet approves new sanctions against 'price tag' vandals, Arab village near Jerusalem comes under yet another attack: car tires slashed, hate graffiti sprayed

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4393746,00.html

From your article :

and scrawled graffiti outside the residences of Israeli peace activists.


Peace Now are one of their favorite targets , you can read more about that one here :

http://972mag.com/price-tag-bomb-threat-at-peace-now-offices-in-jerusalem/27209/

Not violent !!! .... right

Tell that to Ze'ev Sternhell .

Professor Ze'ev Sternhell, the victim of a pipe bomb attack at his home on Thursday, warned that the attack could signal the end of Israeli democracy.

Sternhell, a Haaretz columnist and left wing activist, was lightly hurt in the bombing, which occurred as he walked out of his home in a quiet Jerusalem neighborhood shortly after midnight.

Police suspect right-wing extremists of having carried out the attack. They said they found fliers offering more than NIS 1 million to anyone who kills members of the left-wing organization Peace Now at Sternhell's home following the blast.

Sternhell, an internationally renowned expert on the history of fascism, was awarded the country's highest honor, the Israel Prize, earlier this year. He has often voiced his opposition to settlements, which he has branded a "historical disaster."


MORE @

http://www.haaretz.com/news/leftist-professor-bombing-of-my-home-signals-end-of-israeli-democracy-1.285394

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