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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:29 PM Sep 2013

Chomsky: Middle East peace talks a complete farce

Snippet from Noam Chomsky's article in Salon:

Article I of the DOP states that the end result of the process is to be “a permanent settlement based on Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338,” which say nothing about Palestinian rights, apart from a vague reference to a “just settlement of the refugee problem.”

If the “peace process” unfolded as the DOP clearly stated, Palestinians could kiss goodbye their hopes for some limited degree of national rights in the Land of Israel.

Other DOP articles stipulate that Palestinian authority extends over “West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations: Jerusalem, settlements, military locations and Israelis” – that is, except for every issue of significance.

Furthermore, “Israel will continue to be responsible for external security, and for internal security and public order of settlements and Israelis. Israeli military forces and civilians may continue to use roads freely within the Gaza Strip and the Jericho area,” the two areas from which Israel was pledged to withdraw – eventually.

In short, there would be no meaningful changes. The DOP also did not include a word about the settlement programs at the heart of the conflict: Even before the Oslo process, the settlements were undermining realistic prospects of achieving any meaningful Palestinian self-determination.

Only by succumbing to what is sometimes called “intentional ignorance” could one believe that the Oslo process was a path to peace. Nevertheless, this became virtual dogma among Western commentators.

As the Madrid negotiations opened, Danny Rubinstein, one of Israel’s best-informed analysts, predicted that Israel and the United States would agree to some form of Palestinian “autonomy,” but it would be “autonomy as in a POW camp, where the prisoners are ‘autonomous’ to cook their meals without interference and to organize cultural events.” Rubenstein turned out to be correct.

The settlement programs continued after the Oslo Accords, at the same high level they had reached when Yitzhak Rabin became prime minister in 1992, extending well to the east of illegally annexed Greater Jerusalem.

As Rabin explained, Israel should take over “most of the territory of the Land of Israel [the former Palestine], whose capital is Jerusalem.”

Meanwhile the U.S. and Israel moved to separate Gaza from the West Bank by closing access to it, in explicit violation of the terms of the accords, thus ensuring that any potential Palestinian entity would be cut off from the outside world.

The accords were followed by additional Israel-PLO agreements, which spelled out more clearly the terms of the autonomy of the POW camp. After Rabin’s assassination, Shimon Peres became prime minister. As Peres left office in 1995, he assured the press that there would be no Palestinian state.

Norwegian scholar Hilde Henriksen Waage concluded that the “Oslo process could serve as the perfect case study for flaws” of the model of “of third party mediation by a small state in highly asymmetrical conflicts. The question to be asked is whether such a model can ever be appropriate.”

That question is well worth pondering, particularly as educated Western opinion now follows the ludicrous assumption that meaningful Israel-Palestine negotiations can be seriously conducted under the auspices of the United States – not an “honest broker,” but in reality a partner of Israel.


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Chomsky: Middle East peace talks a complete farce (Original Post) Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 OP
Chomsky speaks as if he's an expert , King_David Sep 2013 #1
He is considered an expert on Middle East Affairs by many. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #2
That would be a bad guess , King_David Sep 2013 #3
Care to discuss the article, or just talk about Chomsky? Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #4
No. nt King_David Sep 2013 #5
Thanks for being honest. nt Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #7
fallacy: Appeal to authority Mosby Sep 2013 #13
Chomsky didn't mention Palestinian intransigence.... shira Sep 2013 #14
King David couldn't find Israel on a map of Israel Scootaloo Sep 2013 #6
Chomsky is an expert , King_David Sep 2013 #9
And he also happens to know more about hte subject than you Scootaloo Sep 2013 #10
Oh ok , I'm sure you right and know this for a fact, King_David Sep 2013 #11
Yes I do, and yes I am Scootaloo Sep 2013 #12
Ayn Rand is considered an economics and social expert WatermelonRat Sep 2013 #8

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. That would be a bad guess ,
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:20 PM
Sep 2013


Chomsky is an expert and legend in his own mind and also a few others .

He's long on opinion and ego.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
4. Care to discuss the article, or just talk about Chomsky?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:25 PM
Sep 2013

Considering you think he has a big ego, it's ironic that you want to talk about him.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
13. fallacy: Appeal to authority
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 05:21 PM
Sep 2013

You know who else is a ME expert? Dr Robert Spencer and Dr Daniel Pipes.

I'm guessing you don't care much for their opinions.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. Chomsky didn't mention Palestinian intransigence....
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:09 PM
Sep 2013

The PA refused offers in 2000 and 2008 that gave the Palestinians almost everything they claim they want.......without counter-offers.

The PA and Hamas still refuse to recognize Israel as the Jewish state, so what's the point? This shows they still want Israel gone; same as 65 years ago. A deal-breaker.

And of course the PA and Hamas are not preparing their people at all for a state that will accept refugees returning if they wish (compensation rather than right-of-return). More than 99% of the > 5M refugees aren't refugees, but descendants of refugees (such people are not considered refugees anywhere in the world). So the Palestinians still reserve their "right" to flood Israel and destroy it demographically with the only people on the planet whose refugee population grows exponentially over time. Yet another deal-breaker

Chomsky doesn't mention any of this for obvious reasons.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
9. Chomsky is an expert ,
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:51 PM
Sep 2013

He is a Linguist .

The rest of your post doesn't really faze me , but thanks for the insults. My post got noticed by the esteemed Scootsloo !

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
10. And he also happens to know more about hte subject than you
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:09 PM
Sep 2013

THough as i pointed out, maybe that's not a large achievement.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
11. Oh ok , I'm sure you right and know this for a fact,
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:21 PM
Sep 2013

after all your a very credible poster here on IP.

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