Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumChomsky: Middle East peace talks a complete farce
Snippet from Noam Chomsky's article in Salon:
If the peace process unfolded as the DOP clearly stated, Palestinians could kiss goodbye their hopes for some limited degree of national rights in the Land of Israel.
Other DOP articles stipulate that Palestinian authority extends over West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations: Jerusalem, settlements, military locations and Israelis that is, except for every issue of significance.
Furthermore, Israel will continue to be responsible for external security, and for internal security and public order of settlements and Israelis. Israeli military forces and civilians may continue to use roads freely within the Gaza Strip and the Jericho area, the two areas from which Israel was pledged to withdraw eventually.
In short, there would be no meaningful changes. The DOP also did not include a word about the settlement programs at the heart of the conflict: Even before the Oslo process, the settlements were undermining realistic prospects of achieving any meaningful Palestinian self-determination.
Only by succumbing to what is sometimes called intentional ignorance could one believe that the Oslo process was a path to peace. Nevertheless, this became virtual dogma among Western commentators.
As the Madrid negotiations opened, Danny Rubinstein, one of Israels best-informed analysts, predicted that Israel and the United States would agree to some form of Palestinian autonomy, but it would be autonomy as in a POW camp, where the prisoners are autonomous to cook their meals without interference and to organize cultural events. Rubenstein turned out to be correct.
The settlement programs continued after the Oslo Accords, at the same high level they had reached when Yitzhak Rabin became prime minister in 1992, extending well to the east of illegally annexed Greater Jerusalem.
As Rabin explained, Israel should take over most of the territory of the Land of Israel [the former Palestine], whose capital is Jerusalem.
Meanwhile the U.S. and Israel moved to separate Gaza from the West Bank by closing access to it, in explicit violation of the terms of the accords, thus ensuring that any potential Palestinian entity would be cut off from the outside world.
The accords were followed by additional Israel-PLO agreements, which spelled out more clearly the terms of the autonomy of the POW camp. After Rabins assassination, Shimon Peres became prime minister. As Peres left office in 1995, he assured the press that there would be no Palestinian state.
Norwegian scholar Hilde Henriksen Waage concluded that the Oslo process could serve as the perfect case study for flaws of the model of of third party mediation by a small state in highly asymmetrical conflicts. The question to be asked is whether such a model can ever be appropriate.
That question is well worth pondering, particularly as educated Western opinion now follows the ludicrous assumption that meaningful Israel-Palestine negotiations can be seriously conducted under the auspices of the United States not an honest broker, but in reality a partner of Israel.
More at Salon.
King_David
(14,851 posts)LOL
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)More so than you, I would guess.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Chomsky is an expert and legend in his own mind and also a few others .
He's long on opinion and ego.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Considering you think he has a big ego, it's ironic that you want to talk about him.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Mosby
(16,319 posts)You know who else is a ME expert? Dr Robert Spencer and Dr Daniel Pipes.
I'm guessing you don't care much for their opinions.
shira
(30,109 posts)The PA refused offers in 2000 and 2008 that gave the Palestinians almost everything they claim they want.......without counter-offers.
The PA and Hamas still refuse to recognize Israel as the Jewish state, so what's the point? This shows they still want Israel gone; same as 65 years ago. A deal-breaker.
And of course the PA and Hamas are not preparing their people at all for a state that will accept refugees returning if they wish (compensation rather than right-of-return). More than 99% of the > 5M refugees aren't refugees, but descendants of refugees (such people are not considered refugees anywhere in the world). So the Palestinians still reserve their "right" to flood Israel and destroy it demographically with the only people on the planet whose refugee population grows exponentially over time. Yet another deal-breaker
Chomsky doesn't mention any of this for obvious reasons.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The rest of the middle east? Fuggiddabouddit.
King_David
(14,851 posts)He is a Linguist .
The rest of your post doesn't really faze me , but thanks for the insults. My post got noticed by the esteemed Scootsloo !
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)THough as i pointed out, maybe that's not a large achievement.
King_David
(14,851 posts)after all your a very credible poster here on IP.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)WatermelonRat
(340 posts)by many.