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Related: About this forumIsrael announces names of Palestinians to be freed in next stage of prisoner release
Source: Jerusalem Post
By JPOST.COM STAFF
10/28/2013 01:14
The Israel Prison Service publicized the names late Sunday of the 26 Palestinians to be released from Israeli jails, the second batch of pre-Oslo inmates convicted of terrorism who are to be freed as part of the ongoing peace negotiations between Jerusalem and the Palestinian Authority.
Earlier on Sunday, a ministerial committee headed by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu approved a list of the prisoners to be released in the second of a four-stage process by which 104 Palestinian prisoners will be sent to the Palestinian Authority as a measure for resuming peace talks.
In the first stage of the release this past August, 26 Palestinians were freed.
The issue of prisoner releases is a politically sensitive one for Israel, where the bereaved kin enlist public opinion to pressure the government against freeing Palestinians who have committed violent crimes against Israelis, including murder.
All of the 26 prisoners on the IPS list were either convicted of murder or attempted murder. Among the most notable cases is Damouni Saad Mohammed Ahmed, who was convicted of involvement in the brutal lynch of IDF reservist Amnon Pomerantz in the Gaza Strip in 1990.
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seems like if you are convicted of murder, you ought to stay in jail.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But I explained this with the last bunch of releases.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Palestine, under Hamas, detained Gilad Shalit. That's one, counted as one, person.
Meanwhile Palestinians researching remote robotics are delivered to Israel on a plate by the PA. Like Hannibal Lecter feeding a victim his own brain, fondue style.
There was an exchange, but it was ridiculously disproportionate. I hear the IDF (aka pelsar, shira, sabbat hunter, ...) display their courage and steadfastness by saying that the IDF doesn't leave troops, or bodies, behind. These people worship their own military might (hiya dave). pelsar is particularly frightened of "tunnels", even while he dismisses from his mind any thought of culpability for the consequences of the siege. pelsar isn't one for making connections. People like shira and sabbat hunter deny that there are any adverse consequences of the siege, even while their rhetoric seeks to lengthen the siege, lengthen the "war".
Shouldn't the Palestinian resistance display the same kind of courage? The resistance is vilified as "terrorist" across the board, when in fact the people unleashing terror on an entire population are the IDF.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Seems to me that you're jumbling several arguments together, and it's a little confusing to read.
First, one Israeli held imprisoned by Palestine is a very small number compared to the number of Palestinians that Israel captures.
Second, the PA just delivered some Palestinian academics to Israel, to be imprisoned for researching taboo stuff.
These are disparities. These disparities show an incredible disequilibrium, with an incredible advantage given to Israel in any "peace talks".
In fact it's ridiculous.
pelsar, K_D, et al represent the IDF either directly or indirectly. I suppose, from reading pelsar's missives, that pelsar knows a lot about "checkpoints" and "night raids", those being his stock in trade. K_D is more vicarious and likes photos of Israel's armed forces. w.r.t. Gilad Shalit, the creed that the IDF doesn't leave troops or bodies behind included him. It's a standard creed for any army that can afford it. So how might Palestinians think of the thousands incarcerated by Israel, in comparison?
Next I can only quote myself,
pelsar is particularly frightened of "tunnels", even while he dismisses from his mind any thought of culpability for the consequences of the siege. pelsar isn't one for making connections. People like shira and sabbat hunter deny that there are any adverse consequences of the siege, even while their rhetoric seeks to lengthen the siege, lengthen the "war".
I honestly don't know how to make head or tail of that. It's just a factoid.
I disagree with the term 'terrorist' as it only applies to enemies of Israel, which are all those people whose land Israel is expanding on with such agonizing slowness, like a boa constrictor swallowing a lamb. Doesn't their terror count?
King_David
(14,851 posts)(You seem obsessed with the " personalities" on this forum whom you told us many times your ignoring.)
Now... Some of these prisoners with blood on their hands , convicted murderers should never see the light of day.
The worst of the worst murderer here will probably be released and have a street or a public square named after them.
Here's a pic of an IDF soldier :
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm certainly no expert, but what I've read is that murder convictions in Israel, by law, are mandatory life-sentence... but that sentence is very often commuted to 30 years by the president (I suppose it's easy, since Israel has a far lower murder rate than the US - can't imagine Obama having that kind of time in his day!) which is then also often reduced further with a ten-year parole. The exception, obviously, being Palestinians who are convicted, who get no such commutation or parole... but that's beside what I want to ask
So, 20 years, not an unusual time to spend in prison for murder in Israel. And it's not really unusual for the US either, as the minimum sentencing for first-degree murder is 20 years, and lesser degrees of homicide of course carry lesser sentences. All of these guys were incarcerated pre-Oslo. Oslo was 20 years ago.
Is it your feeling that everyone who is ever convicted of murder should be locked in a dark hole forever?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Yes ... Forever .
"An Israeli official said last week that the release of prisoners was linked to continued construction of Jewish settlements in the occupied territories according to "understandings" reached with the Palestinians.
But the Palestinians adamantly denied that there was any connection between the two issues and have repeatedly condemned the continuing construction in the settlements, saying it threatens the peace talks.
Israeli media said Netanyahu would likely announce additional settlement construction on Tuesday or Wednesday, to coincide with the release of the prisoners.
In August, Israel approved the construction of more than 2,000 settlement units in east Jerusalem and the West Bank just days before a round of bilateral talks, leading the Palestinians to warn the fledgling process was in danger of
collapse."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/10/israel-release-more-palestinian-prisoners-20131027181115816660.html
King_David
(14,851 posts)Else we would if commented .
What were you trying to say ?