Israel/Palestine

oberliner

(58,724 posts) Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:10 PM Dec 2013

+972's Person of the Year: Edward Snowden

The technological revolution represents the most significant change of our lifetime. The Internet has changed everything: our behavior, our ethics, our economy and even our sex lives. But it is politics, not the music industry, where the most profound changes have taken place. Political participation today starts on the Internet and only later moves to the street, workplaces and polling booths.

Israel’s social justice movement – the largest mass protest the country has ever seen – was organized on Facebook. Social media changed the Palestinian national struggle forever: it brought together displaced communities and shed light on grassroots struggles. If it wasn’t for social media, few would have learned of places like Nabi Saleh and Bil’in. The mainstream media never took interest in Palestinian grassroots leaders – only when they were labeled terrorists did they become worthy of attention – but social media has changed that too.

As journalists, we are experiencing firsthand how the Internet has altered our profession, putting some of us out of work while creating new opportunities for others, ones that we couldn’t have imagined a decade ago. A project like +972 Magazine could not have existed without the platforms provided by WordPress and Google, Facebook and Twitter.

http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-edward-snowden/84512/

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+972's Person of the Year: Edward Snowden (Original Post) oberliner Dec 2013 OP

You agree, oberliner? n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #1

Seems like a reasonable choice to me oberliner Dec 2013 #2

Last year they went with, The Settler. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #4

That seems kinda dumb oberliner Dec 2013 #6

No, not dumb. If you read their opinion, it was understandable to do it that way. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #7

It's dumb oberliner Dec 2013 #8

Did you read why they did it that way? n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #9

"Great news Snowden defenders, you're on the same side as Stormfront..." shira Dec 2013 #3

You really don't get out much, do you? n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #5

Ron Paul says Snowden's a hero. That's Stormfront, Ron Paul.... shira Dec 2013 #10

lol you have no idea how funny you are. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #11

Point is, there's absolutely no diff. b/w the extreme left/right fringes. n/t shira Dec 2013 #18

Only to people who can't think..yea. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #19

When u come up with a few major differences b/w the 2 extremes, lemme know... shira Dec 2013 #20

Okey dokey. I am so pleased to know that Daniel Ellsberg is an extreme lefty in your view. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #22

This isn't about Ellsberg...just the 2 extreme fringes. n/t shira Dec 2013 #23

It has everything to do with Ellsberg..everything. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #25

So? Are you trying to make a point? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #12

There are layers of hilarious in her post. I do not think she understands b/c I doubt Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #13

It hurts my head to try to work out her thought process... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #14

Oh my God, he likes vanilla ice cream! Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #15

LOL. Some of them might even like Pearl Jam! Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #16

It could be any kind of jam! Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #17

But what do you think of The Pixies potentially playing in Israel? oberliner Dec 2013 #21

I think they're trying to punish Israel... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #24

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

1. You agree, oberliner? n/t

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:06 PM

Dec 2013

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

2. Seems like a reasonable choice to me

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:17 PM

Dec 2013

Interesting to see some of the other figures they considered.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

4. Last year they went with, The Settler.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:36 PM

Dec 2013

I think they made a great choice with Snowden.

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

6. That seems kinda dumb

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:38 PM

Dec 2013

Like in 2006 when the Time Magazine Person of the Year was "You"

Just pick an actual person.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

7. No, not dumb. If you read their opinion, it was understandable to do it that way.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:40 PM

Dec 2013

I am speaking of the Settler.

I don't recall Time's You, pick. I'll have to Google it.

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

8. It's dumb

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:44 PM

Dec 2013

Just name a person.

Pick someone who represents the settlers if you want to go in that direction.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

9. Did you read why they did it that way? n/t

Reply to oberliner (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:46 PM

Dec 2013

shira

(30,109 posts)

3. "Great news Snowden defenders, you're on the same side as Stormfront..."

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:36 PM

Dec 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2983515

That's +972 for you...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

5. You really don't get out much, do you? n/t

Reply to shira (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:38 PM

Dec 2013

shira

(30,109 posts)

10. Ron Paul says Snowden's a hero. That's Stormfront, Ron Paul....

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:10 PM

Dec 2013

Good stuff there!

972 has quite the bedfellows.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

11. lol you have no idea how funny you are.

Reply to shira (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:32 PM

Dec 2013

Have you ever heard of Daniel Ellsberg?

Snowden made the right call when he fled the U.S.
By Daniel Ellsberg,

Daniel Ellsberg is the author of “Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers.” He was charged in 1971 under the Espionage Act as well as for theft and conspiracy for copying the Pentagon Papers. The trial was dismissed in 1973 after evidence of government misconduct, including illegal wiretapping, was introduced in court.

Many people compare Edward Snowden to me unfavorably for leaving the country and seeking asylum, rather than facing trial as I did. I don’t agree. The country I stayed in was a different America, a long time ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/daniel-ellsberg-nsa-leaker-snowden-made-the-right-call/2013/07/07/0b46d96c-e5b7-11e2-aef3-339619eab080_story.html

shira

(30,109 posts)

18. Point is, there's absolutely no diff. b/w the extreme left/right fringes. n/t

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:47 AM

Dec 2013

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

19. Only to people who can't think..yea. n/t

Reply to shira (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:48 AM

Dec 2013

shira

(30,109 posts)

20. When u come up with a few major differences b/w the 2 extremes, lemme know...

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:04 AM

Dec 2013

I won't hold my breath waiting.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

22. Okey dokey. I am so pleased to know that Daniel Ellsberg is an extreme lefty in your view.

Reply to shira (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:07 AM

Dec 2013

You can hold your breath, it won't bother me.

shira

(30,109 posts)

23. This isn't about Ellsberg...just the 2 extreme fringes. n/t

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:17 AM

Dec 2013

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

25. It has everything to do with Ellsberg..everything.

Reply to shira (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:04 PM

Dec 2013

I doubt you even know what has transpired with Edward Snowden, and I doubt
you have any clue why Ellsberg has been at the forefront defending him.

You found an OP that you took a quick glance at from GD (June 2013) and posted it here
thinking you were going to score some points against 972...wrong.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)

12. So? Are you trying to make a point?

Reply to shira (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:07 AM

Dec 2013

As someone who's not too keen on Snowden, I'd like to know what point, if any, yr trying to make and the logic, if any, behind it.

Or is this yet another game of Six Degrees of Separation?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

13. There are layers of hilarious in her post. I do not think she understands b/c I doubt

Reply to Violet_Crumble (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:11 AM

Dec 2013

she even read the DU OP she posted. Sid posted what he did about StormFront because
he felt the OP was making a false equivalence and they were, in my opinion. But regardless, shira
had no idea why Sid did that. Not that he is a fan of Snowden, but you know what I mean.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)

14. It hurts my head to try to work out her thought process...

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:10 AM

Dec 2013

It's almost as though there's some Frequent Flier scheme that awards points on how often someone can drop the name Stormfront into their posts. I'd be thinking that smearing people who admire Snowden by trying to link them to Stormfront might be an exercise fraught with peril...

If I wasn't caught up in trying to bring my crappy laptop back to life, I might have engaged Shira's fondness for playing Six Degrees of Separation and started doing it with some positions she embraces and people she admires

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

15. Oh my God, he likes vanilla ice cream!

Reply to Violet_Crumble (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:17 AM

Dec 2013

They eat vanilla ice cream at StormFront! Strange bedfellows..oooh.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)

16. LOL. Some of them might even like Pearl Jam!

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:31 AM

Dec 2013

I like Pearl Jam, so if some of them like Pearl Jam, well that means Pearl Jam and myself could be equated with Stormfront. It's really quite scary once you start thinking about it

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

17. It could be any kind of jam!

Reply to Violet_Crumble (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:33 AM

Dec 2013

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

21. But what do you think of The Pixies potentially playing in Israel?

Reply to Violet_Crumble (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:05 AM

Dec 2013

Inquiring minds want to know!

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)

24. I think they're trying to punish Israel...

Reply to oberliner (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:32 AM

Dec 2013

I heard they sucked pretty hard with their live shows. When a great band calls it a day, they should try and resist the urge to reform and relive the glory days. And now Kim Deal's gone, they'd be even worse. Poor Israel having to put up with them...

Some stuff from their heyday....

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