Thanks for posting.

But I am also not surprised that someone would say it is not surprising.

There was a horrific antisemitic incident in Sydney this year.

BTW what is the Jewish population of Australia and what is the rate emigration to Israel among the total Jewish population in Australia?

but I read Shaay's comment about there being more Israeli's moving to Australia than the reverse

I think that if anyone was considering moving to Israel their plans would have been well in train by the time that incident happened.

it was still 2013 on this side of the international date line when you wrote that comment 7pmish in my little corner in fact

but all the same Happy New Year to you

and a happy new year to all

It appears neither of you know anything about Australia and its reputation for tolerance and multiculturalism. For example, that attack was horrifying because people (apparently apart from you and 'jessie') don't expect something like that to happen in Australia. And while that attack was happening, onlookers intervened and detained at least one of the attackers till the cops arrived. In the aftermath, community leaders, including from the Muslim and Christian communities denounced the attacks and stood in solidarity with the Jewish community...

So, if yr trying to claim that the one event in some way inspired Australian Jews to flee to Israel, you've got no idea what yr talking about...

Outside of Melbourne Perth or Sydney knows anything meaningful from Austaralia hon.

Australians tend to know a lot more about their own country than Americans or Canadians would. Exactly the same way Israeli and pelsar are the folk I listen to when it comes to things to do with what goes on in Israel itself, not internet 'experts' from the US or Canada....

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As knowing ANYTHING at all about real Australia

Just like you and others like Scootaloo know about us Jews LOL...

Us Jews....we all culturally the same from NYC Toronto Sydney London Johannesburg and Raanana and San Diego and Melbourne and Montreal and Miami

And I've got no idea why yr now babbling away about 'us Jews'. Assuming that as usual, it's you avoiding discussing what it was that was being talked about in the thread...

You, with no knowledge of Australia, was quick to claim an attack in Sydney a few months ago as a reason why some Australian Jews migrated to Israel last year. You don't seem to have any knowledge of that incident, where onlookers intervened and detained one or two of the attackers until the cops arrived, nor that there was an outpouring of support for the victims from community leaders, including Australian Muslim groups who showed their solidarity with the Jewish community. Last thing I heard about it, the victims have made full recoveries and are happily living in Sydney still. This was an isolated attack, which was why so many Australians were horrified at what happened.

So, when some internet American or Canadian starts behaving as though Australia's the land of pogroms and Australian Jews are fleeing persecution, they're being ignorant twits who really aren't interested in reality. And if they bothered to read what's going on around them, they'd notice that migration from Israel to Australia last year far outweighed migration in the other direction...

Your favorite topic.

If anything, it's yr favourite topic...

blanket statements, that I noted you have, the best line of defense is not to double down on it and make vague statements that lead nowhere.

You've made the wrong incision into this thread with the "us" nonsense.


Let it go.

But I have absolutely no clue what any of it means ...

It's interesting to see you embracing Pilger's writings, what with him labelling Israel an apartheid state and so much more. I generally find him too hysterical and hyperbolic for my liking, but if you've suddenly discovered him, you might find you and him have a lot of similarities with yr communication styles...

Not sure why yr confusing Australia's dark history towards its indigenous people with its attitude towards Jewish Australians, which is very much one of inclusiveness. Shall you be needing me to point you to some things so you can distinguish between the two minority groups?

Anyone using google can see that the USA and Canada are also labeled apartheid nations as well. It's all bullshit...

So how do u personally know Israel is apartheid but Australia (and Lebanon) are not?

There's more than one person in this group who Dave doesn't like who live in Australia

How could I?

I have never met anyone,they are just internet persona to me,we do not even know each others names and a lot of times not even each others genders.

We do not know each others personalities.

We just know a small slice of each others strong opinions and that generally is not a reason for 'like or dislike' of a person.

We just know a digital cyberslice of a person that looks like an Avatar to me.

I see nothing negative about that general part of the world, and I am puzzled that some would appear so knob-headed about it.

Gee, I wonder why that is..



You know, many people claim the US and Canada are apartheid nations as well. What do u say to that? Don't care...?

Are all the above apartheid or just Israel, and if only Israel, why?

Even in our quiet corner of the world there's some issues, but what Shira & Dave seem to pointedly want to ignore is that Australia has for a long time been inclusive of its Jewish population, and as the details of the incident Dave brought up as though it was an everyday occurrence, quite protective of it.,

Now, I must read on and remind Shira that John Pilger's also labelled Israel apartheid, as well as a few other things. I bet she'll ignore that :h:

You don't get out to other countries much , do you ?

That maybe official policy but it certainly is not policy on the streets in Sydney or Melbourne where I've never experienced such an amount of epithets flung toward minorities .

I'd never heard the term "wog" before arriving in Sydney .

It may be official policy in Australia it's certainly not "reputation"

Unfortunately not all of us are globe-trotting surgeons who've magically been and have vast expertise on any country that gets discussed, and can multi-task and post between cutting edge surgical procedures. Me, I've travelled, but I don't know what you think that's got to do with things here in Australia...

Anyone who claims they've been here and that there's a policy on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne to fling epithets towards minorities and thinks wog is one of them and is flung around constantly is either lying about ever being here, or did a quick tourist jaunt and thinks ten minutes checking out the surf at Bondi Beach is the 'streets of Sydney'. I dunno, maybe you did briefly visit in the 80's/early 90's, saw an ad for 'Wogs Out Of Work', and fumed at the 'bigots' who came up with that. Because I haven't heard that word used in a derogatory way since I was a little kid. It's like the slang word 'sheila' for women. That's one I've never heard anyone use in RL. But what would I know? I was only raised in Sydney and clearly don't possess yr vast expertise and experience when it comes to my own country.

It seems that yr more interested for some bizarre reason in throwing around untrue claims about Australia rather than focusing on what the issue actually was, which was yr bizarre claim that yr not surprised Australian Jews are fleeing persecution in Australia. So, let's focus on that each time you try to drift away.

Back after the attack you mentioned happened, I posted about it here at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1223771

And as yr claiming that multiculturalism is a failure, etc, yr on the same page as Pauline Hanson. She wanted it abolished, y'know. And yr claim is in stark contrast to the president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry.

In fact it's very successful in places such as Canada ... The difference being is the general population buys into it and there's a lot of ingrained tolerance in Canada .

By any definition there has been a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in France.

It's not surprising there has been a rise in immigration.

ummm okay then

"According to an analysis of the data, Israel experience programs for French Jewish youth and Aliyah encouragement efforts amongst the French Jewish community have borne fruit and brought about a dramatic 63% increase in immigration from France, with the arrival of 3,120 immigrants this year, compared to 1,916 in 2012. "

so were you going on about France with comment on a thread about the American Studies Associations boycott, oh I'm sure you were right, but just in case which American city do you expect this in?

Or, even worse, does, and thinks that throwing in mentions of Nazi Germany and pretending the Holocaust is imminent in places like the US, is a convincing debating technique.

Australia's that continent in the Southern Hemisphere. France is a much smaller country located in the Northern Hemisphere in Western Europe. I've noticed yr fixated on France, but the OP was about Australia and New Zealand, not France.

meaning that there was a net inflow of Israeli immigrants into Australia:-

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/statistics/statistical-info/oad/perm-add/permadda.htm

Israelis really seem to like New Zealand. I was just over there, and came across quite a few Israeli tourists, and one I got to chatting to while we were checking out touristy things to do at the Rotorua information centre told me he'd love to move to New Zealand..

since 2011. However those visas are subject to a cap of 200 annually. All of them are taken within the first week of applications being accepted. It represents pretty much the only chance everyday working Israelis have to escape their country for a year.

A number of disappointed Israelis go to NZ anyway and attempt to work. The NZ govt gets rather annoyed at this and has deported a number of Israelis at the airport. Israel then issued a travel warning for NZ.

Israel has a working holiday program. Despite the hyperbole, the only country that has a bilateral agreement with Israel is in fact New Zealand.

Israel is apparently negotiating with Australia to be allowed into its working holiday program. Given the pro Israel tendencies of the current government, they might be in with a shot. However the working holiday visa really is the most poorly policed visa category and most of the applicants end up working cash in hand jobs rather than seasonal labour like they are supposed to.

wonder what they were fleeing

Any idea?

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I met one Arab Israeli at church who was here on a student visa. He said that he knew of only a couple of Palestinians in Australia that held Israeli passports. They were also Christian as well, of a wealthy background as was he. He said that Arab Israelis, instinctively, did not like stay away from home too long, for fear that they would not be allowed back.

Most of the Palestinian community here would have migrated on humanitarian visas, which would normally not be available to Arab Israelis. In practice, if a stateless Palestinian makes it to Australia they will normally be granted such a visa, as there is nowhere to deport them to.

I imagine the largest component of Israeli migrants would be returning Australian citizens and their spouses and/or children.