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Swede

(33,247 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:58 PM Feb 2012

It's Israeli Apartheid Week -- Just Tell the Truth

In the past, this has been a time for hardline pro-Palestinians and hardline pro-Israelis to rumble, counter-accuse, hurl half-truths and, often as not, scrum to an ineffectual draw.

Not this year. This year there's something distinctly unfamiliar in the air. People have begun telling the truth about BDS.

The door was opened by author and lecturer Norman Finkelstein. Earlier this month, Finkelstein, one of Israel's harshest critics, rocked the BDS movement with a critique devastating in its candor.

Finkelstein said he loathed the movement's duplicity and disingenuousness in hiding the fact that a large part of its membership "wants to eliminate Israel."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bradley-burston/israeli-apartheid-week_b_1302564.html

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shira

(30,109 posts)
1. It is duplicitous and disingenuous...
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
Feb 2012

Imagine pro-Israel folks who say they're for 2 states but supportive of the most rabid settler (one state) political movements. Like the Kahane or Feiglin parties.

Ridiculous.

Those who support 1-state nutters from movements like BDS, IAW,FGM,ISM are no different than the 2-state posers who'd be in bed with the Kahanists and Feiglins.

Opposite mirror images of one another. The thing is, the former doesn't exist but the latter does. Folks for 2 states should not only demonize the Kahanists and Feiglins, but also BDS, IAW,FGM,ISM to leave no room for doubt that they're for 2 states.

So why isn't this happening within the pro-Palestinian movement? Why are the pro-Palestinian 2-staters in bed with the pro-Palestinian 1-staters?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. yes there is a good deal of duplicity going on here
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:35 PM
Feb 2012

both by the hard line arm of the BDS movement and by the hardline ProIsrael crowd who are duplicitous in the pretense of supporting Finklestein and the way his words are presented because this part is always left out

""I support the BDS," Finkelstein said, but "it will never reach a broad public until and unless they're explicit in their goal. And their goal has to include the recognition of Israel, or it's a nonstarter."

but what has become apparent is that we now have a new buzz word 'cult' it could have a range of future applications

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. The pro-Israel movement isn't pretending to support Finkelstein...
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 07:19 AM
Feb 2012

...anymore than they support Judge Goldstone for admitting what everyone knew already. The shocker in both cases is that they came out and finally confessed to what the "hasbarists" have claimed all along.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. ah so you admit the so called 'proIsrael''group' is doing exactly what Finkelstein said
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 07:33 AM
Feb 2012

it would with his words duplicitously using for its own purposes which are what? an 'equitable' solution to the Israel-Palestine problem? or maintaining the ever growing Israeli presence in the West Bank?

and what puts the icing on the cake here is that for the ProIsrael group the idea of giving Arabs equal rights in Israel and it's occupied lands equates to the destruction of Israel, we heard that both in the US and South Africa equal rights = our destruction

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
5. You think the agenda of disingenuous 1-staters will lead to an equitable solution...
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:12 AM
Feb 2012

...to the Arab-Israeli conflict? That it's best to keep lying, be for the destruction of Israel and then maintain they're only for the end of the occupation of the West Bank? The 1-staters aren't interested in equal rights for all, as much as they're interested in the destruction of Israel. That much is obvious due to their indifference WRT the way Palestinians are treated by Hamas, or the way they live in Lebanon, Syria, etc.

Exposing these lies and these haters for who they really are will do more to encourage genuine peace than lying, censuring PMW videos, and covering for fake peace groups like the ISM, BDS, IAW, and FGM.

You believe that Israel should be tarred and feathered and that the hateful, nefarious agenda of the 1-staters should be censured so that there will ultimately be "peace". How insane is that?

And then you balk when the genuine 2-staters from the pro-Israel contingent expose the liars and haters for who they really are? Are you serious?

You can't stand it when the 1-staters are exposed for who they are. All you see is pro-Israel hasbara and you hate it, even if the hasbara is coming from genuine 2-state advocates. You're not in the least concerned about the 1-state haters and what they're doing against the interests of peace.

That's pretty bad.

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