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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:18 PM Mar 2014

Why hypocritical Israel has stayed silent on homophobic Uganda


Although most Western countries have condemned the African state for its new, virulently anti-gay law, Israel has preferred to look the other way - at the asylum seekers it wants to send to Uganda.

By Yonatan Berman | Mar. 4, 2014

Haaretz reported last week that Israel, unlike other Western countries, has refused to condemn Uganda for a new law that recently went into effect there. The legislation imposes long prison sentences (even life imprisonment in certain cases) on men who have sexual relations with each other, criminal sanctions for failure to report gay men, and stricter punishments on sexual relations between women.

Many Western countries condemned the new law, with some even announcing that they will no longer provide economic aid to Uganda.

But none of this is Israel’s business.

The State of Israel has economic and defense relations with Uganda and, just as important, is trying to reach an agreement in which Uganda will serve as its trash bin for asylum seekers from Sudan and Eritrea.

remainder: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.577689
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Why hypocritical Israel has stayed silent on homophobic Uganda (Original Post) Jefferson23 Mar 2014 OP
How about a link to the outrage for Uganda's law COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #1
You like playing games? If you had one you would have posted it already. Furthermore Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #2
So the answer is none? OK. Thanks. nt COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #3
Your game is duly noted. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #4
OMG! "DULY NOTED". Wow. COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #5
Exactly...I won't forget. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #6
OMG. Even worse. When COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #7
You already started..a couple of posts ago. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #9
Don't flatter yourself. COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #23
I don't need to, game player..you keep coming back on your own. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #24
Oh I think Colgate made the point here, King_David Mar 2014 #41
lol. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #43
That non-answer is no surprise coming from those supporting a fascist, totalitarian.... shira Mar 2014 #8
Hey, Shira!!! bravenak Mar 2014 #28
Hi Bravenak! Good luck in your other debate. n/t shira Mar 2014 #33
Thank you! nt bravenak Mar 2014 #34
Palestine doesn't advertise itself as a GLBT paradise Scootaloo Mar 2014 #12
Ugandas Laws are Despicable , shameful, disgusting King_David Mar 2014 #10
The point is all nations have their agendas, and they also have their documented Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #11
Do you still beleive all medical aid to the country should be severed? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #14
Not just Uganda: Israelis in Crimea: 'Putin's might is welcomed' azurnoir Mar 2014 #13
Oh good Scootaloo Mar 2014 #15
well it seems like someone else didn't get the memo azurnoir Mar 2014 #16
Israel is for lovers - but Cyprus is for marriages. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #18
Yes it is not good for Israel's sterling Gay Friendly reputation King_David Mar 2014 #20
Do you believe states that practice institutional bigotry should be shunned, even sanctioned, Dave? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #22
Gay bigoted nations King_David Mar 2014 #25
what about the US? azurnoir Mar 2014 #26
You could compare Gay rights King_David Mar 2014 #27
IOW you do not wish to answer I take it or at least in a way that relates to the question azurnoir Mar 2014 #29
In Palestine/Gaza and Uganda one could be put to death King_David Mar 2014 #30
Do we really have to go over this again? azurnoir Mar 2014 #31
We have to go over it again and again it seems King_David Mar 2014 #35
why ? are you hoping I'll miss one? n/t azurnoir Mar 2014 #38
It's so insulting to me as a gay dude I won't discuss it further here King_David Mar 2014 #40
What protection or rights do Gays have in Gaza or West Bank Russia or Uganda ! King_David Mar 2014 #36
What 'protections do Gays have in Tennessee or Mississippi or North Carolina? azurnoir Mar 2014 #37
The perp was caught and he was a gay psycho dude nt King_David Mar 2014 #39
No the case remains unsolved from 3/5/14 azurnoir Mar 2014 #48
Got no clue what you arguing King_David Mar 2014 #49
For crying out loud..had not seen that one...a blessing. I am speechless. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #17
Yep read all about same kind of nonsense in DU LBN King_David Mar 2014 #19
DU members have given a thumbs up to Putin in this regard? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #21
link it up please n/t azurnoir Mar 2014 #32
Here's a nice thread King_David Mar 2014 #42
A hidden post is a nice thread?? How you do go on. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #44
Thread wasn't hidden nt King_David Mar 2014 #45
It leads there. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #46
you were going on about LBN not one of your own threads in I/P azurnoir Mar 2014 #47

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
1. How about a link to the outrage for Uganda's law
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:12 PM
Mar 2014

from the Palestinian authorities? I imagine they've been front and center in condemning it.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. You like playing games? If you had one you would have posted it already. Furthermore
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:18 PM
Mar 2014

it is not the PA who parades itself as a beacon of light in the ME.

That would be the Israeli government...the most moral army in the world..among other things,
so they say.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
8. That non-answer is no surprise coming from those supporting a fascist, totalitarian....
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:33 PM
Mar 2014

...Palestinian state run by corrupt dictators against every progressive value in existence.

btw, I support a genuinely democratic and liberal Palestinian state....

I know, I suck.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
28. Hey, Shira!!!
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:26 PM
Mar 2014

I missed you!! I know I'm off topic, but it was quite strange to not have you here. See you around, I'm getting a verbal/written beat down right now, elsewhere.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
12. Palestine doesn't advertise itself as a GLBT paradise
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014

Nor is it engaged in a scheme to mail Eritreans and Sudanese asylum-seekers to Uganda.

So there's two things.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. Ugandas Laws are Despicable , shameful, disgusting
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:53 PM
Mar 2014

And every self respecting democracy should be sanctioning them and isolating them and no excuse is acceptable for not doing so... Shame on Israel .

The world should sanction Uganda , Russia, Iran, Gaza , Hamas , Palestine and PA for their despicable bigoted homophobic laws and behavior- Israel included.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. The point is all nations have their agendas, and they also have their documented
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:02 PM
Mar 2014

records..who they support, when, why and to what degree. Some nations with truly
excellent records do not possess the political power to do much of anything.

What you are suggesting is blanket sanctions which is a mistake imo; are they viable sanctions
designed to influence a deeper obligation to uphold human rights, how will they impact an economy etc,
who will they hurt etc, and how long..generally not an easy fix..sanctions do not have a great
track record, in isolation. It is a frustrating process to advance human rights world wide.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
14. Do you still beleive all medical aid to the country should be severed?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:30 PM
Mar 2014

And that African asylum-seekers in Israel should be deported there?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. Not just Uganda: Israelis in Crimea: 'Putin's might is welcomed'
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014
For the past four years, Jenia Zlotnik from Be'er Sheva has been living in Simferopol, the capital of Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula at the center of a crisis that threatens to relaunch the Cold War between East and West. And according to Zlotnik, the Russian presence is a blessing.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4494935,00.html
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
15. Oh good
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:31 PM
Mar 2014

Occupy Palestine and Golan is reaching out to Occupy Crimea! They've both already got Occupy Tibet on their side. it's almost like a global movement!

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. well it seems like someone else didn't get the memo
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:45 PM
Mar 2014

about maintaining Israel's Gay friendly reputation

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. Yes it is not good for Israel's sterling Gay Friendly reputation
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 03:25 PM
Mar 2014

Shame on Israel .

And shame on Israel and the rest of the world for not shunning the bigoted states of Uganda Palestine Hamas Saudi Arabia Uganda Iran Russia --- they all should be punished for their Bigoted Regressive Primitave Backward behavior , laws , Bigotry, medieval ,stone age ,base revolting ,unacceptable ,discriminatory and inferior culturally-backward attitudes towards Gays.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. Do you believe states that practice institutional bigotry should be shunned, even sanctioned, Dave?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:07 PM
Mar 2014

King_David

(14,851 posts)
25. Gay bigoted nations
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:17 PM
Mar 2014

With a backward culture wrt Gays and Gay rights, that are so culturally backward that discrimination and Jail and Murder/ Death are acceptable against their own Gay citizens .... And here we talking about Uganda , Palestine , Gaza , Iran , Saudi Arabia, Syria and unfortunately a few other places .... Should be shunned and isolated and punished.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
26. what about the US?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:19 PM
Mar 2014

the majority of states still have laws on the books against marriage equality, and Washington allows this to stand, would you have them cut off to and better yet how?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
27. You could compare Gay rights
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:23 PM
Mar 2014

In Uganda and Palestine- Hamas to that in the USA,?? ( or even Arizona )

That is so insulting to Gay people that it doesn't deserve acknowledgement or reply.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
29. IOW you do not wish to answer I take it or at least in a way that relates to the question
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:40 PM
Mar 2014

instead you seem to be only able to make accusations, and Palestine is not Hamas, in fact in Palestine or the West Bank as it were being Gay has not been against the law since 1951 in accordance with Jordanian law

you're the one running making exclamations against states so I asked about the United States

btw how is pointing out that in the US Gay Rights are still quite lagging insulting to Gay people?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
30. In Palestine/Gaza and Uganda one could be put to death
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:44 PM
Mar 2014

For just being Gay.

Gay rights in Palestine /West Bank is
non existant.

Despicable



As for Russia ? Oh you going to say The USA is as bad as the Russia too?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
31. Do we really have to go over this again?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:50 PM
Mar 2014

in the West Bank being Gay is not illegal to be Gay and male in Gaza is illegal unfortunately but Gaza is ruled by despicable forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Middle_East

as for the US I said nothing of the US compare to Russia I merely pointed out an apparently uncomfortable fact or are you saying that as long as it's not as bad it's okay ????

King_David

(14,851 posts)
36. What protection or rights do Gays have in Gaza or West Bank Russia or Uganda !
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:45 PM
Mar 2014

where the term "Gay Rights" is clearly an oxymoron .

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
37. What 'protections do Gays have in Tennessee or Mississippi or North Carolina?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:52 PM
Mar 2014

clearly you did not read the link provided you though

but while we're on the subject doesn't it seem strange to you that Israel a country that 'knows' when some person in Gaza is about to launch a rocket before they do it can not apprehend the person that gunned down several people in a Gay nightclub almost 5 years ago and let their sole suspect go, but not until it had arrested the Gay states witness?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=740598

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
48. No the case remains unsolved from 3/5/14
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:46 AM
Mar 2014


The prosecution Tuesday canceled its state’s evidence agreement with the key witness in the case of the 2009 shooting at a gay youth club and is considering prosecuting him on charges of fabricating evidence, obstructing justice and perjury.

The decision to annul the agreement became final after a hearing at which the witness’ attorney, Yair Regev, said his client consented to the cancellation. Prosecutors made the decision due to new evidence indicating that the witness had fabricated the original evidence used to indict Hagai Felician for the shooting at Tel Aviv’s Barnoar club, which killed two people.

The witness was arrested two weeks ago but has refused to cooperate with investigators, opting instead to exercise his right to remain silent.

Prosecutors believe that without the witness’ evidence, there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute Felician. Therefore, they are likely to cancel the indictment against him shortly. But at a meeting last week chaired by State Prosecutor Shai Nitzan, it was decided to have the police do some additional investigating before a final decision was made.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.577957

King_David

(14,851 posts)
49. Got no clue what you arguing
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:23 AM
Mar 2014

Not going down your tangent .

The topic is Israel and the World must not tolerate the Gay bigoted regressive culturally backward places such as Gaza Uganda Russia Hamas Iran etc .

And Israel has no excuse for tolerating Uganda and nor does the world .

End of discussion wrt to this Gay topic with you , it's insulting to me as a gay dude that anyone could think it's possible to draw a parallel with USA states - that just serves to minimize and cheapen the regressive bigoted regimes mentioned.


There is no insulting comparison with these Gay Bigoted regressive culturally backward regimes and shame on anyone making it. It's insulting beyond the pale to me as a Gay dude .

Bye bye

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