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Related: About this forumWhy hypocritical Israel has stayed silent on homophobic Uganda
Although most Western countries have condemned the African state for its new, virulently anti-gay law, Israel has preferred to look the other way - at the asylum seekers it wants to send to Uganda.
By Yonatan Berman | Mar. 4, 2014
Haaretz reported last week that Israel, unlike other Western countries, has refused to condemn Uganda for a new law that recently went into effect there. The legislation imposes long prison sentences (even life imprisonment in certain cases) on men who have sexual relations with each other, criminal sanctions for failure to report gay men, and stricter punishments on sexual relations between women.
Many Western countries condemned the new law, with some even announcing that they will no longer provide economic aid to Uganda.
But none of this is Israels business.
The State of Israel has economic and defense relations with Uganda and, just as important, is trying to reach an agreement in which Uganda will serve as its trash bin for asylum seekers from Sudan and Eritrea.
remainder: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.577689
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)from the Palestinian authorities? I imagine they've been front and center in condemning it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)it is not the PA who parades itself as a beacon of light in the ME.
That would be the Israeli government...the most moral army in the world..among other things,
so they say.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)should I start to worry?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Perfectly.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...Palestinian state run by corrupt dictators against every progressive value in existence.
btw, I support a genuinely democratic and liberal Palestinian state....
I know, I suck.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I missed you!! I know I'm off topic, but it was quite strange to not have you here. See you around, I'm getting a verbal/written beat down right now, elsewhere.
shira
(30,109 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Nor is it engaged in a scheme to mail Eritreans and Sudanese asylum-seekers to Uganda.
So there's two things.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And every self respecting democracy should be sanctioning them and isolating them and no excuse is acceptable for not doing so... Shame on Israel .
The world should sanction Uganda , Russia, Iran, Gaza , Hamas , Palestine and PA for their despicable bigoted homophobic laws and behavior- Israel included.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)records..who they support, when, why and to what degree. Some nations with truly
excellent records do not possess the political power to do much of anything.
What you are suggesting is blanket sanctions which is a mistake imo; are they viable sanctions
designed to influence a deeper obligation to uphold human rights, how will they impact an economy etc,
who will they hurt etc, and how long..generally not an easy fix..sanctions do not have a great
track record, in isolation. It is a frustrating process to advance human rights world wide.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And that African asylum-seekers in Israel should be deported there?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4494935,00.html
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Occupy Palestine and Golan is reaching out to Occupy Crimea! They've both already got Occupy Tibet on their side. it's almost like a global movement!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)about maintaining Israel's Gay friendly reputation
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Shame on Israel .
And shame on Israel and the rest of the world for not shunning the bigoted states of Uganda Palestine Hamas Saudi Arabia Uganda Iran Russia --- they all should be punished for their Bigoted Regressive Primitave Backward behavior , laws , Bigotry, medieval ,stone age ,base revolting ,unacceptable ,discriminatory and inferior culturally-backward attitudes towards Gays.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)With a backward culture wrt Gays and Gay rights, that are so culturally backward that discrimination and Jail and Murder/ Death are acceptable against their own Gay citizens .... And here we talking about Uganda , Palestine , Gaza , Iran , Saudi Arabia, Syria and unfortunately a few other places .... Should be shunned and isolated and punished.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the majority of states still have laws on the books against marriage equality, and Washington allows this to stand, would you have them cut off to and better yet how?
King_David
(14,851 posts)In Uganda and Palestine- Hamas to that in the USA,?? ( or even Arizona )
That is so insulting to Gay people that it doesn't deserve acknowledgement or reply.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)instead you seem to be only able to make accusations, and Palestine is not Hamas, in fact in Palestine or the West Bank as it were being Gay has not been against the law since 1951 in accordance with Jordanian law
you're the one running making exclamations against states so I asked about the United States
btw how is pointing out that in the US Gay Rights are still quite lagging insulting to Gay people?
King_David
(14,851 posts)For just being Gay.
Gay rights in Palestine /West Bank is
non existant.
Despicable
As for Russia ? Oh you going to say The USA is as bad as the Russia too?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in the West Bank being Gay is not illegal to be Gay and male in Gaza is illegal unfortunately but Gaza is ruled by despicable forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Middle_East
as for the US I said nothing of the US compare to Russia I merely pointed out an apparently uncomfortable fact or are you saying that as long as it's not as bad it's okay ????
King_David
(14,851 posts)Clearly
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)C ya
King_David
(14,851 posts)where the term "Gay Rights" is clearly an oxymoron .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)clearly you did not read the link provided you though
but while we're on the subject doesn't it seem strange to you that Israel a country that 'knows' when some person in Gaza is about to launch a rocket before they do it can not apprehend the person that gunned down several people in a Gay nightclub almost 5 years ago and let their sole suspect go, but not until it had arrested the Gay states witness?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=740598
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The decision to annul the agreement became final after a hearing at which the witness attorney, Yair Regev, said his client consented to the cancellation. Prosecutors made the decision due to new evidence indicating that the witness had fabricated the original evidence used to indict Hagai Felician for the shooting at Tel Avivs Barnoar club, which killed two people.
The witness was arrested two weeks ago but has refused to cooperate with investigators, opting instead to exercise his right to remain silent.
Prosecutors believe that without the witness evidence, there isnt enough evidence to prosecute Felician. Therefore, they are likely to cancel the indictment against him shortly. But at a meeting last week chaired by State Prosecutor Shai Nitzan, it was decided to have the police do some additional investigating before a final decision was made.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.577957
King_David
(14,851 posts)Not going down your tangent .
The topic is Israel and the World must not tolerate the Gay bigoted regressive culturally backward places such as Gaza Uganda Russia Hamas Iran etc .
And Israel has no excuse for tolerating Uganda and nor does the world .
End of discussion wrt to this Gay topic with you , it's insulting to me as a gay dude that anyone could think it's possible to draw a parallel with USA states - that just serves to minimize and cheapen the regressive bigoted regimes mentioned.
There is no insulting comparison with these Gay Bigoted regressive culturally backward regimes and shame on anyone making it. It's insulting beyond the pale to me as a Gay dude .
Bye bye
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Some written by IP regulars.
Nuff said.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that is quite unrelated