You know, back when it declared statehood? Its borders were internationally-recognized as the Jewish division of the partition - at least that's how the Americans, the French, the British, and the Soviets recognized it, backed up by Israel itself in 1949 when it states that territories under Israeli rule outside that line were occupied extra-national territory.

And a good thing too - If Israel doesn't have defined borders, it is not a state and all this kerfluffle has been sixty years of wasted time for an illegimimate and violent entity posing a constant militant threat to the borders of recognized states in the region.

I guess only the original 13 colonies are "legitimate".

Certainly not California and Hawaii.

Tell us more about your plan for expelling the current populations.

Times have changed. It is illegal under international law.

or is it brute arrogance(?), that some possess, WRT Israel's expansionist consumption of not only Palestinian land but their own (supposed) citizens as well.

What is on display is clearly the mindset of empire and not enlightenment.

Roll over Vlad Putin and tell Israel the news.

Nice try, that actually gave me a giggle, but it takes more than just being ridiculous.

Here's a hint: you need to start with some element of truth and build on that. Just piling absurdities and insults together doesn't do it.

I think you've got a lot of work to do before you can pass the Turing test.

Thing is the United States acquired the vast majority of its territory through treaty. Now let's be under no illusion that the United States was any fucking good at upholding its end of the treaties - of course we weren't - but the problem is the treaty agreements remain binding even when one party violates them. What that means is that the land sales to the US remained legal, even as the US rolled over its treaty obligations to the natives. They could of course have declared the treaty annulled - and a lot of them did do just that... but that leads ot war, and new, worse treaties.

Same with our acquisitions from Mexico. we could invade Mexico all the goddamned day, but until Cuevas, Couto and Atristai put hteir signatures on the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, formally declaring the land and population legal property of the United States, none of it was legal.

A case could definitely be made for Hawaii being an illegal occupation, however, as the Kingdom of Hawaii was still a recognized government when the United States annexed it. However that government dissolved and there is no recognized replacement to make its case as such. the kingdom of Hawaii therefore was an illegal acquisition, but much as with Sumer, Byzantium, and Samarkand, is an extinct nation. Any revival would therefor be an independence movement rather than an inheritor of the previous Kingdom.

Tell me. What treaty exists granting Israel territory outside its internationally-recognized borders? You realize of course, there ISN'T, one, and that much as with Golan, that territorial acquisition is an illegal annexation, correct? When the Palestinians say "let's start at the armistice lines" they are offering to cede territory to Israel formally.

occupation. Astonishingly, this seems palatable to some.