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Related: About this forumSettlers destroy over 300 grape vines near Bethlehem
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=687509BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Israeli settlers on Friday destroyed over 300 newly planted grape vines in al-Khader village south of Bethlehem, locals said.
Landowner Mohammad Ibrahim Sbeih told Ma'an that he saw settlers from the illegal Sde Boaz settlement on his land in the al-Shub area.
Coordinator for the local resistance committee Ahmad Salah told Ma'an that the settlers vandalized 18 dunams (four acres) of land.
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In 2013, there were 399 incidents of settler violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)No words.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Shame for the Israelis that turn a blind eye, instigate and perpetuate these crimes. Shame for the way the USA carries the water for Israel and ignores the state of apartheid that has settled over the Palestinians.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Is it real, or is it Ma'an?
shira
(30,109 posts)...of certain Palestinian soccer players.
This racist publication is the equivalent of the KKK publishing its own National Enquirer to report on the crimes committed by African Americans against white people.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)well okay then
shira (20,816 posts)
5. Wasn't aware it was Maan. Why do u keep posting articles from such a vile site? n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113461383#post5
BTW I haven't posted from Ma'an for sometime now, however the incitement charges pressed by one of your fav's Itamar Marcus who is an Islamophobic Righwinger on the order of Robert Spence were thrown out by an Israeli court and you know that
shira
(30,109 posts)But now I'm curious:
1. Why do u say Itamar Marcus is Islamophobic and on the order of Robert Spencer?
2. The Israeli Court didn't challenge the veracity of any of his reports. In fact, the Judge seemed confused when it called into question Marcus not using sources like Al Arabiya and Al Jazeera, which are not Palestinian media. The fact is that Marcus did indeed show that PA controlled media does in fact incite.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)during his 2008 presidential campaign
and the Israeli did not seem confused when (s)he threw the case out of court
you read it from another source?
shira
(30,109 posts)Alan Dershowitz and Robert Wistrich were also interviewed. They're not rightwing hatebots like Robert Spencer.
And yes, the Judge was confused. If you read the article about the case, you'll see the Judge wanted more evidence from PA controlled media to prove that the PA incites. She asked for inciteful material from more popular media like Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya, which makes no sense whatsoever since they are not PA controlled at all.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Afraid to link it I see.
shira
(30,109 posts)They are not Palestinian media sources.
The Judge was therefore very confused.
Note that we are dealing with an attempt to prove a policy of incitement. It is reasonable to assume that if it is a policy, the PA leadership would make use of the most popular media newspapers and television networks to get its messages across. That is so because thats obviously the way its messages would reach the largest and broadest audience. So the conclusion is that the plaintiffs did not prove the existence of a policy of incitement, though, as I already mentioned, they have proven conclusively the existence incitement in the Palestinian media, incitement which is often, as appears from the recording tendered here, nothing but nauseating slander.
http://972mag.com/judge-dismisses-credibility-of-palestinian-media-watch-testimony/78900/
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)New low for you.
On edit, you only posted the link after you're called out on it..always trying to sell
your version first.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I am done here..people can make up there own minds from the links.
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Derailing threads with deceptions about a judge's ruling all to divert attention from settler
violence...shameful.
shira
(30,109 posts)The problem is al-Fajr hasn't been in publication since 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fajr
http://972mag.com/judge-dismisses-credibility-of-palestinian-media-watch-testimony/78900/
This must be so embarassing for all the haters of PMW.
1. The Judge admitted that the PA incites through its media.
2. The Judge asked for more popular sources like al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya, which are not PA media sources.
3. The Judge asked for evidence from a PA media source that hasn't existed in 20 years.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I get it, you do not trust any Palestinian publications.
Check out B'Tselem on settler violence and stop derailing threads to avoid what settlers do.
But then again, you're a big fan of Itamar Marcus of..a settler living in the OPT.
He lost the case.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The movie's premise is pretty much entirely drawn from Wistritch's book, "A Lethal Obsession."
As for Dershowitz, his approach to the situation is that no matter what, Israel is always right. Blowing up population centers in Gaza City or Tyre? Israel is right. Imprisoning children? Israel is right. Torture of prisoners? israel is right. Live fire vs. people carrying signs? Israel is right. Forced evictions of Arab Israeli citizens? Israel is right. Sort of like you, though since he's a syndicated writer, he has to couch his bloodlust and bigotry in gentler terms, with more weasel word hedging.
I suppose you think Raphel Shore and Wayne Kopping were trying to make a "balanced" documentary, right? No, they selected assholes who hate Muslims and support eternal war against Palestine to support the film's thesis.
shira
(30,109 posts)It's just that in your case any criticism of radical Islam or radical Islamists is racist and rightwing.
I'm curious now. Which critics of radical Islam do u find credible? None? They're all rightwing racists and bigots in your view?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Remember, we all hate and loathe Jews if we don't call for flotillas to Tibet?
Who do I find credible? I dunno, I can't say I pay much attention to that particular "field of study," Shira. I figure there's two sorts - critics of religion in general, who are basically going to tell me what I already knew, or could have guessed easily enough... or people who are trying to veil their bigotry as public service announcements.
Surely you understand the concept of fig-leafing, Shira?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)...Asks a poster whose OP's are drawn purely from Gatestone Institute, The Tower, PalWatch, and the Algemeiner, and whose original content reads like it came off masada2000.
Best part is, you're not even being facetious, you think you have a legitimate complaint
shira
(30,109 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)One that, as has been ointed out to you, is far more credible than most of your own go-to choices, and is used as a source for other mainstream sources.
If you want to say there are creepy Maan editorials? Sure. There are creepy haaretz editorials, too. ever read the wall Street Journal's ed page? Good lord, it's like watching a Libertarian themed Japanese horror movie.
You've failed to address the situation in this news - as in, not op-ed - piece.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Itamar Marcus supports..living in the OPT himself.
shira
(30,109 posts)...into the feet of a Palestinian soccer player that the racists @ Maan recently fabricated?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113458740#post35
Amazing how 10 bullets to the feet heal so quickly these days, isn't it?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)trust Ma'an as a source for stories.
You know this but you will try and spread this nonsense, go ahead.
It say much more about you than it does about Ma'an as a publication.
I get it, you do not trust any Palestinian publications.
shira
(30,109 posts)The story was just racist incitement.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I get it, you do not trust any Palestinian publications.
Check out B'Tselem on settler violence and stop derailing threads to avoid what settlers do.
But then again, you're a big fan of Itamar Marcus
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)and lives in the OPT..settler himself. Also enables the Israeli propaganda machine against Palestinians.
I write this as too often this publication, Ma'an is lied about here and you'll see that when asked, they
do not have a Palestinian publication they trust...none.
He lost in court, Israeli judge found him to be not credible expert witness, that is because he
is a bigoted asshole who makes excuses for the Israeli government.
Judge dismisses credibility of Palestinian Media Watch testimony
http://972mag.com/judge-dismisses-credibility-of-palestinian-media-watch-testimony/78900/
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)They see through the propaganda, lies, incitement, and bigotry aimed at the Jewish state.
It's why no elected Democrats support BDS, call Israel apartheid, etc.
People aren't stupid.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Accountability
Administrative Detention
Area C
List background materials
Attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians
Beating and abuse
Demolition of houses as punishment
Demolition for alleged military purposes
Demonstrations
Deportation
Detainees and prisoners
East Jerusalem
Family separation
Gaza Strip
Hebron
Human shields
International Law
Intra-Palestinian violations
Jordan Valley
Planning and building
Restrictions on movement
Separation Barrier
Settlements
Settler violence: Lack of accountability
South Hebron Hills
Torture
Use of firearms
Water Crisis
Workers from the territories
http://www.btselem.org/list_of_topics
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It's not easy cheering for rotten expansionism and getting slapped down with facts.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)documents it.
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