Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumIsrael Celebrates a Return to the Status Quo in the Middle East
http://www.thenation.com/article/179259/israel-celebrates-return-status-quo-middle-eastSpeaking to the Molad/CAP panel, Daniel Levy of the European Council on Foreign Relations suggested that Netanyahu was playing the United States and the European Union for patsies. Both should be putting pressure on Israel to halt its settlement construction and negotiate in good faith. But like the United States, Europe is constantly thickening and deepening its relationship with Israel, he lamented. So neither the Israelis nor Netanyahu himself are sufficiently discouraged to consider the kinds of concessions necessary to offer the Palestinians anything more than a Bantustan-style solution.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)agree in part on another aspect of the failed peace process.
This is accurate, to a degree: Speaking to the Molad/CAP panel, Daniel Levy of the European Council on Foreign Relations suggested that Netanyahu was playing the United States and the European Union for patsies. Both should be putting pressure on Israel to halt its settlement construction and negotiate in good faith. But like the United States, Europe is constantly thickening and deepening its relationship with Israel, he lamented. So neither the Israelis nor Netanyahu himself are sufficiently discouraged to consider the kinds of concessions necessary to offer the Palestinians anything more than a Bantustan-style solution.
I think it is fair to understand why the OP feels Kerry and the EU look like patsies. Kerry offers a framework to Israel
which highly favored Israel, and Bibi took advantage of it regardless and added more obstacles. Kerry seems
to have made the mistake which is highlighted by this OP, that Bibi was fine with continued occupation in the first
place. It was Kerry that wanted this locked down with EU help and the Arab League agreeing to change under
pressure from Kerry, those land swaps in their peace initiative...regardless of how detrimental that would be to form
a viable state for the Palestinians. I have read where the EU and Kerry were enticing Bibi with good relations for Israel
Saudi Arabia to look forward to..venture capitalism etc. Even with all of that Bibi would not risk his coalition.
I am surprised in the end that Bibi did not take the Kerry plan, it was a great deal for Israel and they are seemingly
confident that Abbas will not take his case to the ICC.
Where I disagree, somewhat, is about BDS. It was not a threat before, true..due mostly to US/EU protections
for Israel to keep the status quo. Yet, now it seems that BDS may be a wild card depending on
how sincere and how skillful Abbas moves forward. I was shocked he pushed back, and I do hope he
can make the most of an uncertain future to achieve the foundations for a viable state. You have Israel
now pointedly framed by Kerry as the reason the talks failed, and you have international law on your
side as precedent, and well, allegedly, the Arab League promised financial support, so we'll see.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)A single-state isn't going to happen.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)BDS imo, does not rest in ownership to anyone one group..correct me if I am wrong. I understand who represents it (seemingly- Barghouti) but I have not seen any such person/ organization that in fact speaks for the Palestinians with
their explicit permission regarding BDS.
BDS is a means to hold accountable the actions of the Israeli government on settlements with the
purpose to end expansion and actions to then remove the settlers from the West Bank, for one.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)These non-violent punitive measures should be maintained until Israel meets its obligation to recognize the Palestinian peoples inalienable right to self-determination and fully complies with the precepts of international law by:
1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.
Endorsed by:
The Palestinian political parties, unions, associations, coalitions and organizations below represent the three integral parts of the people of Palestine: Palestinian refugees, Palestinians under occupation and Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Unions, Associations, Campaigns
Council of National and Islamic Forces in Palestine (Coordinating body for the major political parties in the Occupied Palestinian Territory)
Palestinian Independent Commission for Citizens Rights (PICCR)
Union of Arab Community Based Associations (ITTIJAH), Haifa
Forum of Palestinian NGOs in Lebanon
Palestinian General Federation of Trade Unions (PGFTU)
General Union of Palestinian Women (GUPW)
General Union of Palestinian Teachers (GUPT)
Federation of Unions of Palestinian Universities Professors and Employees
Consortium of Professional Associations
Union of Palestinian Medical Relief Committees (UPMRC)
Health Work Committees West Bank
Union of Agricultural Work Committees (UAWC)
Union of Palestinian Agricultural Relief Committees (PARC)
Union of Health Work Committees Gaza (UHWC)
Union of Palestinian Farmers
Occupied Palestine and Syrian Golan Heights Advocacy Initiative (OPGAI)
General Union of Disabled Palestinians
Palestinian Federation of Womens Action Committees (PFWAC)
Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI)
Palestinian Grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
Union of Teachers of Private Schools
Union of Womens Work Committees, Tulkarem (UWWC)
Dentists Association Jerusalem Center
Palestinian Engineers Association
Lawyers Association
Network for the Eradication of Illiteracy and Adult Education, Ramallah
Coordinating Committee of Rehabilitation Centers West Bank
Coalition of Lebanese Civil Society Organizations (150 organizations)
Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights (SPHR), Network of Student-based Canadian University Associations
Refugee Rights Associations/Organizations
Al-Ard Committees for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
Al-Awda Charitable Society, Beit Jala
Al Awda Palestine Right-to-Return Coalition, U.S.A
Al-Awda Toronto
Aidun Group Lebanon
Aidun Group Syria
Alrowwad Cultural and Theatre Training Center, Aida refugee camp
Association for the Defense of the Rights of the Internally Displaced (ADRID), Nazareth
BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights, Bethlehem
Committee for Definite Return, Syria
Committee for the Defense of Palestinian Refugee Rights, Nablus
Consortium of the Displaced Inhabitants of Destroyed Palestinian Villages and Towns
Filastinuna Commission for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
Handala Center, Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem
High Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return, Jordan
(including personal endorsement of 71 members of parliament, political parties and unions in Jordan)
High National Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return , Ramallah
International Right of Return Congress (RORC)
Jermana Youth Forum for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
Laji Center, Aida camp, Bethlehem
Local Committee for Rehabilitation, Qalandia refugee camp, Jerusalem
Local Committee for Rehabilitation of the Disabled, Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem
Palestinian National Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
Palestinian Return Association, Syria
Palestinian Return Forum, Syria
Palestine Right-of-Return Coalition (Palestine, Arab host countries, Europe, North America)
Palestine Right-of-Return Confederation-Europe (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden)
Palestinian Youth Forum for the Right of Return, Syria
PLO Popular Committees West Bank refugee camps
PLO Popular Committees Gaza Strip refugee camps
Popular Committee al-Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem
Popular Committee Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem
Shaml Palestinian Diaspora and Refugee Center, Ramallah
Union of Womens Activity Centers West Bank Refugee Camps
Union of Youth Activity Centers Palestine Refugee Camps, West Bank and Gaza
Womens Activity Center Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem
Yafa Cultural Center, Balata refugee camp, Nablus
Organizations
Abna al-Balad Society, Nablus
Addameer Center for Human Rights, Gaza
Addameer Prisoners Support and Human Rights Association, Ramallah
Alanqa Cultural Association, Hebron
Al-Awda Palestinian Folklore Society, Hebron
Al-Doha Childrens Cultural Center, Bethlehem
Al-Huda Islamic Center, Bethlehem
Al-Jeel al-Jadid Society, Haifa
Al-Karameh Cultural Society, Um al-Fahm
Al-Maghazi Cultural Center, Gaza
Al-Marsad Al-Arabi, occupied Syrian Golan Heights
Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights, Gaza
Al-Nahda Cultural Forum, Hebron
Al-Taghrid Society for Culture and Arts, Gaza
Alternative Tourism Group, Beit Sahour (ATG)
Al-Wafa Charitable Society, Gaza
Applied Research Institute Jerusalem (ARIJ)
Arab Association for Human Rights, Nazareth (HRA)
Arab Center for Agricultural Development (ACAD)
Arab Center for Agricultural Development-Gaza
Arab Educational Institute Open Windows (affiliated with Pax Christie International)
Arab Orthodox Charitable Society Beit Sahour
Arab Orthodox Charity Beit Jala
Arab Orthodox Club Beit Jala
Arab Orthodox Club Beit Sahour
Arab Students Collective, University of Toronto
Arab Thought Forum, Jerusalem (AFT)
Association for Cultural Exchange Hebron France
Association Najdeh, Lebanon
Authority for Environmental Quality, Jenin
Bader Society for Development and Reconstruction, Gaza
Canadian Palestine Foundation of Quebec, Montreal
Center for the Defense of Freedoms, Ramallah
Center for Science and Culture, Gaza
Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Ramallah- Al-Bireh District
Child Development and Entertainment Center, Tulkarem
Committee for Popular Participation, Tulkarem
Defense for Children International-Palestine Section, Ramallah (DCI/PS)
El-Funoun Palestinian Popular Dance Troupe
Ensan Center for Democracy and Human Rights, Bethlehem
Environmental Education Center, Bethlehem
FARAH Palestinian Center for Children, Syria
Ghassan Kanafani Society for Development, Gaza
Ghassan Kanafani Forum, Syria
Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Gaza (GCMHP)
Golan for Development, occupied Syrian Golan Heights
Halhoul Cultural Forum, Hebron
Himayeh Society for Human Rights, Um al-Fahm
Holy Land Trust Bethlehem
Home of Saint Nicholas for Old Ages Beit Jala
Human Rights Protection Center, Lebanon
Inash al-Usrah Society, Ramallah
International Center of Bethlehem (Dar An-Nadweh)
Islah Charitable Society-Bethlehem
Jafra Youth Center, Syria
Jander Center, al-Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem
Jerusalem Center for Women, Jerusalem (JCW)
Jerusalem Legal Aid and Human Rights Center (JLAC )
Khalil Al Sakakini Cultural Center, Ramallah
Land Research Center, Jerusalem (LRC)
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)state nor reference a means to negotiate for a number and compensation.
What I mean by speaking for the Palestinians in a official capacity is Abbas as the leader and why he
has not yet constructed a call for BDS on terms that are specific to address the fact that RoR is a part of
establishing a viable state for the Palestinians and not leaving any ambiguity about full right of return
in their mission statement.
It is established law, the Palestinians do have a right to return, so you go into the negotiations with
that right, and you do not give away your rights up front to end up with a bantustan. You don't need
to state a number in your mission statement, but you do need to make clear there will be one agreed
upon that ensures Israel's rights too.
You give away only in the end what you know will not be politically possible to achieve ( that number can't be
what would alter the demographic for Israel) and you move from there to work on compensation. Without those
specifics, I don't see how you get the level of support you need across to make BDS effective.
There has to be a reason they don't state those specifics, no?