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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:46 AM Apr 2014

Israel Celebrates a Return to the Status Quo in the Middle East

http://www.thenation.com/article/179259/israel-celebrates-return-status-quo-middle-east

Netanyahu’s real priorities are revealed by his willingness to release terrorists (until recently) to protect his ability to continue to build settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and most particularly by his deeply cynical demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a “Jewish state.” “For the Israelis,” Haaretz’s Ravit Hecht writes, “Netanyahu dangles the catastrophic image of the Jews being thrown into the sea—for that must be the Palestinians’ aim, if they refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state—and in doing so, strikes at the center of the Jewish central nervous system, which is, of course, fear of the Holocaust.” But for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Hecht continues, “Netanyahu’s demand is that he erase his people’s history, crush the Palestinian narrative and admit that the Arabs [who constitute roughly 20 percent of Israel’s population, excluding the West Bank] are nothing more than guests in the State of Israel…. Netanyahu knows that Abbas cannot make such a declaration,” but he also knows that any Israeli or, for that matter, American politician will catch hell for opposing it.

Speaking to the Molad/CAP panel, Daniel Levy of the European Council on Foreign Relations suggested that Netanyahu was playing the United States and the European Union for patsies. Both should be putting pressure on Israel to halt its settlement construction and negotiate in good faith. But like the United States, “Europe is constantly thickening and deepening its relationship with Israel,” he lamented. “So neither the Israelis nor Netanyahu himself are sufficiently discouraged” to consider the kinds of concessions necessary to offer the Palestinians anything more than a Bantustan-style solution.
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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
1. I have a slight disagreement regarding how BDS is defined here. I'll start first with where I do
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:17 PM
Apr 2014

agree in part on another aspect of the failed peace process.

This is accurate, to a degree: Speaking to the Molad/CAP panel, Daniel Levy of the European Council on Foreign Relations suggested that Netanyahu was playing the United States and the European Union for patsies. Both should be putting pressure on Israel to halt its settlement construction and negotiate in good faith. But like the United States, “Europe is constantly thickening and deepening its relationship with Israel,” he lamented. “So neither the Israelis nor Netanyahu himself are sufficiently discouraged” to consider the kinds of concessions necessary to offer the Palestinians anything more than a Bantustan-style solution.

I think it is fair to understand why the OP feels Kerry and the EU look like patsies. Kerry offers a framework to Israel
which highly favored Israel, and Bibi took advantage of it regardless and added more obstacles. Kerry seems
to have made the mistake which is highlighted by this OP, that Bibi was fine with continued occupation in the first
place. It was Kerry that wanted this locked down with EU help and the Arab League agreeing to change under
pressure from Kerry, those land swaps in their peace initiative...regardless of how detrimental that would be to form
a viable state for the Palestinians. I have read where the EU and Kerry were enticing Bibi with good relations for Israel
Saudi Arabia to look forward to..venture capitalism etc. Even with all of that Bibi would not risk his coalition.
I am surprised in the end that Bibi did not take the Kerry plan, it was a great deal for Israel and they are seemingly
confident that Abbas will not take his case to the ICC.

Where I disagree, somewhat, is about BDS. It was not a threat before, true..due mostly to US/EU protections
for Israel to keep the status quo. Yet, now it seems that BDS may be a wild card depending on
how sincere and how skillful Abbas moves forward. I was shocked he pushed back, and I do hope he
can make the most of an uncertain future to achieve the foundations for a viable state. You have Israel
now pointedly framed by Kerry as the reason the talks failed, and you have international law on your
side as precedent, and well, allegedly, the Arab League promised financial support, so we'll see.










 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
2. BDS would be much more effective if it didn't insist one a one-state solution.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:57 PM
Apr 2014

A single-state isn't going to happen.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. No question about that and I don't see how it could be embraced across nations with that goal.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:13 PM
Apr 2014

BDS imo, does not rest in ownership to anyone one group..correct me if I am wrong. I understand who represents it (seemingly- Barghouti) but I have not seen any such person/ organization that in fact speaks for the Palestinians with
their explicit permission regarding BDS.

BDS is a means to hold accountable the actions of the Israeli government on settlements with the
purpose to end expansion and actions to then remove the settlers from the West Bank, for one.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. here is the official statement of goals along with endorsments from the BDS website
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:50 AM
Apr 2014

These non-violent punitive measures should be maintained until Israel meets its obligation to recognize the Palestinian people’s inalienable right to self-determination and fully complies with the precepts of international law by:

1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.

Endorsed by:

The Palestinian political parties, unions, associations, coalitions and organizations below represent the three integral parts of the people of Palestine: Palestinian refugees, Palestinians under occupation and Palestinian citizens of Israel.

Unions, Associations, Campaigns

• Council of National and Islamic Forces in Palestine (Coordinating body for the major political parties in the Occupied Palestinian Territory)

• Palestinian Independent Commission for Citizen’s Rights (PICCR)

• Union of Arab Community Based Associations (ITTIJAH), Haifa

• Forum of Palestinian NGOs in Lebanon

• Palestinian General Federation of Trade Unions (PGFTU)

• General Union of Palestinian Women (GUPW)

• General Union of Palestinian Teachers (GUPT)

• Federation of Unions of Palestinian Universities’ Professors and Employees

• Consortium of Professional Associations

• Union of Palestinian Medical Relief Committees (UPMRC)

• Health Work Committees – West Bank

• Union of Agricultural Work Committees (UAWC)

• Union of Palestinian Agricultural Relief Committees (PARC)

• Union of Health Work Committees – Gaza (UHWC)

• Union of Palestinian Farmers

• Occupied Palestine and Syrian Golan Heights Advocacy Initiative (OPGAI)

• General Union of Disabled Palestinians

• Palestinian Federation of Women’s Action Committees (PFWAC)

• Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI)

• Palestinian Grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign

• Union of Teachers of Private Schools

• Union of Women’s Work Committees, Tulkarem (UWWC)

• Dentists’ Association – Jerusalem Center

• Palestinian Engineers Association

• Lawyers’ Association

• Network for the Eradication of Illiteracy and Adult Education, Ramallah

• Coordinating Committee of Rehabilitation Centers – West Bank

• Coalition of Lebanese Civil Society Organizations (150 organizations)

• Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights (SPHR), Network of Student-based Canadian University Associations

Refugee Rights Associations/Organizations

Al-Ard Committees for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria

Al-Awda Charitable Society, Beit Jala

Al Awda – Palestine Right-to-Return Coalition, U.S.A
Al-Awda Toronto
Aidun Group – Lebanon
Aidun Group – Syria

Alrowwad Cultural and Theatre Training Center, Aida refugee camp

Association for the Defense of the Rights of the Internally Displaced (ADRID), Nazareth

BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights, Bethlehem
Committee for Definite Return, Syria

Committee for the Defense of Palestinian Refugee Rights, Nablus

Consortium of the Displaced Inhabitants of Destroyed Palestinian Villages and Towns

Filastinuna – Commission for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria

Handala Center, ‘Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem

High Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return, Jordan

(including personal endorsement of 71 members of parliament, political parties and unions in Jordan)

High National Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return , Ramallah

International Right of Return Congress (RORC)

Jermana Youth Forum for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
Laji Center, Aida camp, Bethlehem

Local Committee for Rehabilitation, Qalandia refugee camp, Jerusalem

Local Committee for Rehabilitation of the Disabled, Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem

Palestinian National Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
Palestinian Return Association, Syria
Palestinian Return Forum, Syria

Palestine Right-of-Return Coalition (Palestine, Arab host countries, Europe, North America)

Palestine Right-of-Return Confederation-Europe (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden)

Palestinian Youth Forum for the Right of Return, Syria

PLO Popular Committees – West Bank refugee camps

PLO Popular Committees – Gaza Strip refugee camps

Popular Committee – al-’Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem

Popular Committee – Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem

Shaml – Palestinian Diaspora and Refugee Center, Ramallah

Union of Women’s Activity Centers – West Bank Refugee Camps

Union of Youth Activity Centers – Palestine Refugee Camps, West Bank and Gaza

Women’s Activity Center – Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem

Yafa Cultural Center, Balata refugee camp, Nablus

Organizations

Abna’ al-Balad Society, Nablus

Addameer Center for Human Rights, Gaza

Addameer Prisoners’ Support and Human Rights Association, Ramallah
Alanqa’ Cultural Association, Hebron

Al-Awda Palestinian Folklore Society, Hebron

Al-Doha Children’s Cultural Center, Bethlehem
Al-Huda Islamic Center, Bethlehem

Al-Jeel al-Jadid Society, Haifa

Al-Karameh Cultural Society, Um al-Fahm
Al-Maghazi Cultural Center, Gaza

Al-Marsad Al-Arabi, occupied Syrian Golan Heights

Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights, Gaza
Al-Nahda Cultural Forum, Hebron

Al-Taghrid Society for Culture and Arts, Gaza
Alternative Tourism Group, Beit Sahour (ATG)
Al-Wafa’ Charitable Society, Gaza

Applied Research Institute Jerusalem (ARIJ)

Arab Association for Human Rights, Nazareth (HRA)

Arab Center for Agricultural Development (ACAD)

Arab Center for Agricultural Development-Gaza

Arab Educational Institute – Open Windows (affiliated with Pax Christie International)

Arab Orthodox Charitable Society – Beit Sahour
Arab Orthodox Charity – Beit Jala
Arab Orthodox Club – Beit Jala
Arab Orthodox Club – Beit Sahour

Arab Students’ Collective, University of Toronto

Arab Thought Forum, Jerusalem (AFT)

Association for Cultural Exchange Hebron – France
Association Najdeh, Lebanon
Authority for Environmental Quality, Jenin

Bader Society for Development and Reconstruction, Gaza

Canadian Palestine Foundation of Quebec, Montreal

Center for the Defense of Freedoms, Ramallah

Center for Science and Culture, Gaza

Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Ramallah- Al-Bireh District

Child Development and Entertainment Center, Tulkarem
Committee for Popular Participation, Tulkarem

Defense for Children International-Palestine Section, Ramallah (DCI/PS)

El-Funoun Palestinian Popular Dance Troupe

Ensan Center for Democracy and Human Rights, Bethlehem
Environmental Education Center, Bethlehem

FARAH – Palestinian Center for Children, Syria

Ghassan Kanafani Society for Development, Gaza
Ghassan Kanafani Forum, Syria

Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Gaza (GCMHP)

Golan for Development, occupied Syrian Golan Heights
Halhoul Cultural Forum, Hebron

Himayeh Society for Human Rights, Um al-Fahm
Holy Land Trust – Bethlehem

Home of Saint Nicholas for Old Ages – Beit Jala
Human Rights Protection Center, Lebanon
In’ash al-Usrah Society, Ramallah
International Center of Bethlehem (Dar An-Nadweh)
Islah Charitable Society-Bethlehem
Jafra Youth Center, Syria

Jander Center, al-Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem

Jerusalem Center for Women, Jerusalem (JCW)

Jerusalem Legal Aid and Human Rights Center (JLAC )

Khalil Al Sakakini Cultural Center, Ramallah

Land Research Center, Jerusalem (LRC)


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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Number 3 does not make clear about resolving the right of return, this formula does not
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:30 AM
Apr 2014

state nor reference a means to negotiate for a number and compensation.

What I mean by speaking for the Palestinians in a official capacity is Abbas as the leader and why he
has not yet constructed a call for BDS on terms that are specific to address the fact that RoR is a part of
establishing a viable state for the Palestinians and not leaving any ambiguity about full right of return
in their mission statement.

It is established law, the Palestinians do have a right to return, so you go into the negotiations with
that right, and you do not give away your rights up front to end up with a bantustan. You don't need
to state a number in your mission statement, but you do need to make clear there will be one agreed
upon that ensures Israel's rights too.

You give away only in the end what you know will not be politically possible to achieve ( that number can't be
what would alter the demographic for Israel) and you move from there to work on compensation. Without those
specifics, I don't see how you get the level of support you need across to make BDS effective.

There has to be a reason they don't state those specifics, no?

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