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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:26 PM Apr 2014

Kerry warns: Israel could become an apartheid state

http://972mag.com/kerry-warns-israel-could-become-an-apartheid-state/90201/

The apartheid analogy is common among centrist Israeli politicians, but the U.S. administration has been careful not to use it in the past. Also: What makes Kerry think that Israel is not already ‘a unitary state?’


The Daily Beast’s Josh Rogin obtained a recording of a meeting in which Secretary of State John Kerry used the term “apartheid” to describe what an Israeli regime would look like – if and when efforts to bring about a two-state solution fails.

Speaking to senior officials and experts from the U.S., Western Europe, Russia and Japan, Kerry warned of renewed violence in the West Bank, and criticized Palestinian and Israeli leaders for not making enough concessions in order to reach an agreement. The money quote:

“A two-state solution will be clearly underscored as the only real alternative. Because a unitary state winds up either being an apartheid state with second class citizens — or it ends up being a state that destroys the capacity of Israel to be a Jewish state […] Once you put that frame in your mind, that reality, which is the bottom line, you understand how imperative it is to get to the two state solution, which both leaders, even yesterday, said they remain deeply committed to.”



Could become?

I really wish our leadership would wake up and stop pretending that Israel is a Democracy and admit that apartheid has been the name of the game for some time now. They helped enable it with all the billions in aid to Israel without any strings attached.
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Kerry warns: Israel could become an apartheid state (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 OP
Could become? My reaction completely. broiles Apr 2014 #1
It is the strongest comment made by someone at his level while in the government karynnj Apr 2014 #3
Interesting. K&R Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #2

karynnj

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3. It is the strongest comment made by someone at his level while in the government
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:58 PM
Apr 2014

In addition, he is strongly arguing that there are just three conclusions of the situation - two state, one state which is a democracy, and one state that is an apartheid state. If you look at the articles posted, this is considered a very strong statement -- with RW Jewish organizations actually calling for Obama to fire him.

In fact, his statement is identical to the summary that Ari Shavit comes to, though he adds a 4th worse possibility - ethnic cleansing driving out the Arabs. His summary argues that Israel still has a majority favoring a two state solution.

Some left scholars have hypothesized that American and Israeli liberals have used the possible 2 state solution as a veil that lets them ignore the dissonance in their moral believes that would see the current situation for what it is by arguing that it is temporary.

Last January, Tom Friedman, who was both a Jerusalem and a Beirut bureau chief for the NYT, had an article that argued that what Obama approved and Kerry has done is to "test" the possibilities. He, of course hoped that it would lead to a peace settlement. However, in his title "Kerry is Scary" and his lead paragraph, he argued that if it failed it could be bad for Israel. The title initially threw me because he actually has often been positive about Kerry and never really negative. His summary addressing what could happen if it fails is interesting in the context of this article:


But if either or both don’t agree, Kerry would have to take his mission to its logical, fanatical conclusion and declare the end of the negotiated two-state solution. (If not, he loses his credibility.)

If and when that happens, Israel, which controls the land, would have to either implement a unilateral withdrawal, live with the morally corrosive and globally isolating implications of a permanent West Bank occupation or design a new framework of one-state-for-two-people.

So that’s where we are: Israelis and Palestinians need to understand that Kerry’s mission is the last train to a negotiated two-state solution. The next train is the one coming at them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/opinion/friedman-why-kerry-is-scary.html

At this point, Kerry still would like a two state solution, but he clearly is someone honest enough to not take what in the US would be the easy way out --- which is to assign 100% of the blame to Abbas. Doing that would make most of Congress happy and most of the Powers that be happy -- it however is not the truth. Kerry's statement here deserves credit given that he had to know that it would lead to many people - including many who supported him for decades - to be furious.

I suspect that had Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren said this DU would be ecstatic. That it is Kerry, who has spent enormous energy trying to make things better here, makes it more impressive.
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