Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:51 AM Jun 2014

Australian trade at risk over East Jerusalem decision

Palestinian delegation to Canberra warns decision to stop referring to East Jerusalem as 'occupied' would lead to Arab trade sanctions, which would leave Australia isolated.

AFP
Published: 06.13.14

SYDNEY - Australia could face trade sanctions by Arab nations over its decision to stop using the term "occupied" when referring to East Jerusalem, the head of the Palestinian delegation to Canberra warned Friday.

Izzat Abdulhadi said Australia's new stance on East Jerusalem, which was annexed by Israel in a move never recognized by the international community, was a "substantial policy shift."

"We think that it's very provocative and un-useful, and it's not appropriate," Abdulhadi told AFP.

His comments came after 18 diplomats from countries including Indonesia, Egypt and Saudi Arabia protested to Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs in Canberra on Thursday.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4529905,00.html
9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Australian trade at risk over East Jerusalem decision (Original Post) Jefferson23 Jun 2014 OP
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop takes heat out of East Jerusalem row Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #1
Thanks for the update, Violet. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #2
Keep in mind Julie Bishop's a massive bullshit artist... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #3
Ah, funny how trade risks can make one change course. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4
trade risks? Mosby Jun 2014 #6
East Jerusalem is occupied territory under international law..or are the 15 justices Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #7
the ICJ ruled on the security fence Mosby Jun 2014 #8
You should read it again..they reafirmed, that EJ is OPT Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #9
ah such a nice surprise to see you here thanks for the update azurnoir Jun 2014 #5

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
1. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop takes heat out of East Jerusalem row
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jun 2014
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop appears to have cooled the temperature on the East Jerusalem row with Arab countries by reaffirming Australia's backing for the UN resolution that calls the territory "occupied".

After meeting with Ms Bishop on Thursday, Arab and Muslim nation envoys cautiously welcomed what they regarded as the government's softened stance on the issue.

Ms Bishop pointedly told the ambassadors that she and Prime Minister Tony Abbott alone spoke for the government on foreign affairs - an apparent reference to the fact that the issue flared after Attorney-General George Brandis refused to call East Jerusalem "occupied".

But the government still faces potential blowback over the row, with 57 countries of the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation due to meet in the Saudi Arabian city of Jeddah overnight and expected to discuss possible trade sanctions against Australia.

Ms Bishop released a letter she had written to the Arab and Muslim ambassadors clarifying that Australia had not changed its position on the legal status of East Jerusalem, which was part of the territory seized by Israel during the Six Day War of 1967.

Australia's position, she said, was "consistent with UN resolutions on this issue".

The key resolution 242, passed by the UN in 1967, calls for the "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict".


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/foreign-minister-julie-bishop-takes-heat-out-of-east-jerusalem-row-20140619-3agr0.html#ixzz355faZP7s

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. Thanks for the update, Violet.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jun 2014


*Australia's position, she said, was "consistent with UN resolutions on this issue".

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
3. Keep in mind Julie Bishop's a massive bullshit artist...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jun 2014

Earlier as foreign minister she's also said the settlements aren't illegal. She's just backpedalling now because of the trade risk, but Australia's currently on the UN Security Council, and Abbott's bunch of fools will likely vote there on anything to do with I/P in a way that'll prove their utter disrespect for UN resolutions they don't agree with. Hopefully they'll be voted out before they can do too much damage to Australia's reputation. I just saw a poll that had over 80% of Australians wanting the government to go to a very very early poll. If that happens, they'll be booted out in a landslide loss, as they've broken so many election promises it's hard to keep up with them...

Though the current always MIA Opposition leader isn't all that much better than Bishop when it comes to I/P.

Labor factions split over government's decision to 'reclassify' East Jerusalem

Federal Labor is split over the government's decision to reclassify East Jerusalem as ''disputed'' rather than ''occupied'', with the NSW branch of the ALP and its Left faction lining up against Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and the Victorian Right.

Mr Shorten and his allies are widely seen as too close to the so-called pro-''Israel lobby''. And there is disquiet about Mr Shorten's muted condemnation of the government's shift on its description of East Jerusalem - a move that has provoked diplomatic protests from Arab communities but which the government says is only a change in terminology, not policy.

Labor insiders said Mr Shorten's deputy, foreign affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek, is particularly unhappy about Mr Shorten's muted response to the policy shift.

Spokesmen for Mr Shorten and Ms Plibersek played down any split between the pair on Israel, issuing almost identical statements on Wednesday that restated Labor's belief that the territory was occupied.



Ms Plibersek on Thursday again denied any split, telling ABC radio that ''Bill and I have identical positions here and we put out a statement yesterday that shows exactly that''.

Behind the scenes, former foreign minister Bob Carr is helping organise a series of motions for the NSW Labor conference next month that will endorse the party's existing position - that all settlements are illegal under international law.

In government, Mr Carr forced former prime minister Julia Gillard and her supporters in the Victorian Right to abandon their opposition to Palestine being granted observer status at the United Nations.

A senior NSW figure said ''the Victorian Right is famously behind the Likud line''.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-factions-split-over-governments-decision-to-reclassify-east-jerusalem-20140618-3ae6a.html#ixzz355lxgj00




Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Ah, funny how trade risks can make one change course.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jun 2014

Opposition leaders on I/P not much better on I/P, sadly that is the norm.

Sounds like there is a solid chance of Australia ridding their government of
some bad eggs nonetheless..good luck with that!

Mosby

(16,306 posts)
6. trade risks?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

More like threats from the Arab oil mafia.

"You don't want to do dis, people could get hurt"

Thuggery wins again.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. East Jerusalem is occupied territory under international law..or are the 15 justices
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jun 2014

of the ICJ part of the Arab oil mafia too?

The recalcitrant Israeli government needs to change their leadership, without that change
they will never establish peace.

Mosby

(16,306 posts)
8. the ICJ ruled on the security fence
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:58 PM
Jun 2014

And said they didn't agree with Israel's "security objectives" even though more that 1000 israelis died from suicide attacks. No wonder israelis don't think much of the ICJ.

They did however reaffirm 242, 338 and 1515.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. You should read it again..they reafirmed, that EJ is OPT
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jun 2014

There exists no legitimate dispute on it, only spin.


No wonder Israel's government has the reputation it lives with currently, anyone who disagrees
with them, no matter how impartial..they ignore. The primary cause of the violence is the
continued occupation.

You don't seem to appreciate Kerry's warning. He offered a deal that would have given Israel
most of the WB and only a small portion of EJ leaving the Palestinians without a viable state...
Abbas almost went with it but due to Israel's continued advertising of further settlements,
it all blew up. Israel conceded nothing.

Without a viable state for each side, peace will not come to fruition..in the end, Israel
may get away with such a deal, but that will not equate with living in peaceful coexistence
with the Palestinians.

The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law”; ( ICJ Advisory Ruling )

snip* The Wall is constructed in such a way as to place about a quarter of East Jerusalem’s Palestinian
population of 230,000 in the West Bank. Such persons will in future require permits to access their
employment and to visit friends, hospitals and religious sites in Jerusalem.

Settlements continue to expand, in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The
settler population in the West Bank and East Jerusalem now numbers over 440,000.
The low wall under construction in south Hebron will make it difficult for Palestinian
communities located between the low wall and the Green Line to access their lands, schools and
clinics. ( John Dugard report UNHRC )

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Israel/Palestine»Australian trade at risk ...