in spite of their heavy handed actions.

Israel recognizes international law when it suits its own interests and turns its back on it when it doesn't.

Hypocritical much? That statement could just as easily describe yourself.

hasbaristas the most: not being able to refute my point.

It accurately describes all states, Israel included.

My point was that it also describes yourself. A truth you've taken no pains to hide.

don't get back to me.

I was agreeing with you about Israel you realize? What exactly am I looking in the mirror for?

My comment was that you do the exact same thing. Your post makes no sense.

Upstream you were calling me a hypocrite and now you're agreeing.

Just go away. I don't buy your bunk.

I agree with your statement AND you're a hypocrite. The two are not mutually exclusive. Like Israel, and every other state, you only care about international law when it suits you. Otherwise it is rejected without pause.

I'm sorry. That's not how this thing works. You post absurd/untrue/simplistic/prejudicial statements... Then I refute them.

This is a classic example of attempted character assassination.

When you can't argue a point just condemn the OP and poster as being just as bad as those they expose. It's all the rage.

What Shak doesn't like is apparently having Israel criticized for all the bad shit that it has done WRT. So go after the poster of the OP.


It really sucks when the narrative can't be how wonderful Israel is while it shoots to kill unarmed Palestinians or arrests them wholesale.




No, I just post the truth and it is too much for you.

Since we all now know that you only post truth, I'd like to hear more about the events recently which led to the most recent death of the palestinian man we were just discussing.

You seem quite convinced about what happened. I'd love to hear it.

IDF raids a Palestinian village.

Palestinians die due to that aggresion.

IDF, and their water carriers make excuses for excessive force.

So an instance where a palestinian attacks a soldier and gets killed becomes an example of Israeli aggression to you. It says a lot about your worldview. It doesn't matter who attacked who first. It doesn't matter who was violating law versus enforcing it. Any detail that suggests a modicum of palestinian culpability gets edited out of the narrative completely. I couldn't imagine a clearer example of prejudice if I tried. You're literally pre-judging the outcome of every situation as being Israel's fault, regardless of the facts. In this case you had no problem proclaiming this a case of murder before you even knew what happened.

Intellectual bankruptcy like this makes me truly sad and fearful regarding any prospects of peace being possible.

By the way, the IDF has only existed for a few decades. Not "ages."

Tell me about the two Palestinians killed, possibly by IDF fire, on Nakba day, shak?

Didi they have it coming too?

The one thing that I don't do, shak, is make excuses for murderers.




Same class of thug going back to Irgun. Deal with it.

What I do have is a more nuanced understanding of the conflict, which contains a wide spectrum of situations resulting in casualties; some being entirely justifiable examples of self-defense, some being tragic yet understandable mistakes, the blame for which is entirely dependent on the specific circumstances, and some being examples of outright and unjustified murder.

What I don't do is assign roles of "victim" and "oppressor", then using them as the sole basis for assigning culpability in any and all instances.



I know very little about the circumstances surrounding those deaths, including who killed them. But no. They didn't have it coming. Whether it was a crime, a mistake or something else I have no idea. But from what I've seen they did nothing that would justify their being shot, much less killed.


Nope, worse. It appears you entirely ignore all instances of violence that aren't perpetrated by the IDF. You pretend they don't exist at all.

You assign blame based on national identity. An obvious prejudice. Even if that requires blaming innocent victims or excusing the perpetrators of violence against peaceful civilians.



Who is? The entire IDF? Again you don't hesitate to make the most bigoted of associations; equating the vast majority of Israeli citizens (including the leftist peaceniks who run orgs like btselem and peace now), with a very small group of self-professed right wing terrorists. Ironically it's the sort of simplistic ideology held by the likes of radical settlers, who'll proclaim such platitudes like "all Palestinians are terrorists."

Same pre-canned views when it comes to Israel.

That's not what's happening here. In fact I didn't bother arguing his point because for once his point made sense. In fact I outright AGREED with his statement.

If anything, this post was so right it demanded one to consider it from a broader perspective. R. said "Israel does this thing." (Which it undeniably does do!) I merely pointed out that ALL states also do it as well. Which seems relevant here.

Then I demonstrated the widespread prevalence of this truth by (correctly) reminding R. that he also does it all the time himself. (Examples in this board abound if anyone's curiosity gets piqued btw.)

So don't assume I'm trying but am unable to refute your point. My issue was never with your statement. It's a true statement.

All I did was provide some context. Because condemning Israel for doing something you yourself do isn't about making you look foolish. Its not about weakening your argument.

It's to show you the mechanism by which these accusations can be made. And made honestly at that.

that I don't care what you believe?

Knock yourself out.

That quite an accomplishment for one person!

But reading is fundamental.

Im in a snarky mood. Couldnt control myself.

Agree

acknowledging such efforts were necessary. Mann News as usual uses a bogus headline and the omission of relevant facts which are among its many common tactics to skew its reports. Google his name and no reputable Media source makes such a claim or reports what they do. He was actually caught trying to transfer 20 million to Hamas as well.





UN urges restraint in IDF West Bank operation

Official calls on Israel to ‘respect livelihood of Palestinians’ while searching for kidnapped teens

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Robert Serry said that while the UN acknowledged that tightened restrictions on movement throughout the West Bank were necessary as part of efforts to bring the youths home safely, it urged Israel to show restraint and carry out the operation in compliance with international law. The UN special coordinator further called on the Israeli government to respect the lives, dignity and livelihoods of Palestinians

http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-urges-restraint-in-idf-west-bank-operation/



UN Envoy Tried to Transfer $20 Million to Hamas
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/un-envoy-tried-to-transfer-20-million-to-hamas/2014/06/21/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-intends-to-boot-out-uns-mideast-coordinator/

claims he tried to transfer money to Hamas

Serry acknowledged in a statement released Saturday night that he was on a visit to Qatar a few weeks ago but denied that talks of a UN role in the payment of salaries in Gaza — an issue described in the statement as having “potentially destabilizing effects on security in Gaza,” and seemingly the basis on which Liberman made his allegations – took place.

Serry said he was approached by Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah on the matter but made it clear that the UN “would only be able to be of assistance if acceptable to all stakeholders, including Israel.”

The UN official added that the information was “immediately shared with Israeli authorities at the working level” and that Israel reacted negatively.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/uns-mideast-coordinator-denies-allegations-he-sought-to-transfer-funds-to-hamas/

interesting considering what we saw posted here about the PA refusing to pay Hamas salaries