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Related: About this forumWhat Palestinian Unity Is All About - The Real Task Ahead | Ramzy Baroud
Ramzy Baroud -- World News Trust
June 10, 2014
Palestinians are yet to achieve national unity despite the elation over the "national unity government" now in operation in Ramallah.
One has to be clear in the distinction between a Hamas-Fatah political arrangement necessitated by regional and international circumstances, and Palestinian unity. What has been agreed upon in the Shati (Beach) refugee camp in April, which lead to the formation of a transitional government in the West Bank in June, has little to do with Palestinian unity.
The latter is a much more comprehensive and indispensable notion. Without it, the Palestinian people risk losing more than a unified political platform, but their ability to identify with a common set of national aspirations wherever they are in the world.
Thus, a hurried agreement in Gaza that left many points of contention to be discussed and settled by various sub-committees with uncertain chances of succeeding is hardly the prerequisite to true and lasting national unity.
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http://worldnewstrust.com/what-palestinian-unity-is-all-about-the-real-task-ahead-ramzy-baroud
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Ramzy has an insider's view of things.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)He has endorsed the work of Gilad Atzmon, who just recently praised David Duke.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Gilad Atzmon decided to open Pandoras Box, and ignite a debate that has been frustratingly dormant for too long. His experiences are most authentic, views are hard-hitting, and, at times, provocative. It must be read and discussed. Ramzy Baroud, Palestine Chronicle
Here's Atzmon recently praising David Duke:
http://soupyone.wordpress.com/2014/06/15/gilad-atzmon-praises-ex-kkker-david-duke/
Let's see first whether we agree that Baroud's support of Atzmon is odious. Then we can move on to his support of terror...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Shameful of you.
Baroud's words are right there, stop falsely accusing people of anti semitism.
His support of terror, you need a new meme.
shira
(30,109 posts)They distance themselves from it.
Baroud is not a good man.
Here's Baroud praising the vile Greta Berlin:
Good man?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Support and praise for Greta Berlin at her very worst....
http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2012/10/ramzy-barouds-message-on-facebook-re.html
Endorsing Gilad Atzmon's latest screed...
http://www.gilad.co.uk/the-wandering-who/
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The second is the same as your last one...Baroud found his book provocative.
I guess that makes him an anti-semite along with Mearsheimer
You need to try harder.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1605.htm
That's support for Hamas' agenda.
A recurring theme in Baroud's articles is his opposition to the PA's security forces that shield Israelis from terrorist acts. In fact, it's in his latest article in the OP above:
http://worldnewstrust.com/what-palestinian-unity-is-all-about-the-real-task-ahead-ramzy-baroud
Here it is in another Baroud article...
Instead, Palestinians should be leading their own revolution until they achieve their full rights and freedom.
This is not a call for violence, but a natural human course. However, Palestinians are not rebelling.
Many factors are holding them back, one of which is the very Palestinian Authority in Ramallah. Its troops are in constant security coordinations with Israel.
Its elite forces are trained by American generals and Arab armies. The PA mission is not to liberate Palestine, but to ensure the subservience of the Palestinians while Israel carries on with a colonial project that has extended for decades.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/the-stable-west-bank-dilemma-ramzy-baroud#sthash.EgnMYKQI.dpuf
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)keep this in mind when you support the actions of the IDF and speak against
B'Tselem...as you have slandered them in the past as well.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)lol
snip*Even the New York Times, known for its resolute support of successive Israeli governments, is also urging unity. If there is ever to be an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement
the Palestinians must be united, read its editorial, signed by the editorial board, on June 6.
He is such a supporter of terror, while he speaks against Hamas.
But Hamas and Fatah are also at fault. Their absurd infighting and allowing themselves to serve other parties agendas is both inexcusable and unforgivable. To think that both parties will continue to dominate the Palestinian leadership landscape for the coming years is not encouraging.
Palestine is not Hamas and Fatah, and Palestinian disunity didnt start with both of these parties but has been an integral part of the Palestinian national struggle. The fragmentation of the Palestinian political identity is decades-old. It was perhaps the departure of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) from Lebanon in 1982 that accentuated the split between the Palestinian peoples struggle for freedom and their leadership. It was then that Palestinian elitism truly rose to prominence.
more: True unity would have to go back to the original questions that split Palestinian communities in Palestine and around the world in the first place. It has to contend with important questions concerning Palestinian identity, national aspirations, resistance and the outlook of an entire generation that was born after the signing of the Oslo accords in 1993.
Palestinian unity is not a logistical question, but a major undertaking that requires new faces, new names, new thinking, and dare one says, a new leadership.
Stop smearing a good man and accusing him of supporting terror.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)You keep this up and I can link your condemnation of B'Tselem and your
blind support for Bibi and IDF actions.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Palestinians if he was such a supporter of terror as you claim? You make no sense.
Your opinions are based on Bibi and his nonsense..just to keep land that does
not belong to Israel.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)land that does not belong to them?
No.
shira
(30,109 posts)Gee, what a surprise.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)He has admitted he supports armed resistance.
Add to that the fact that he refuses to condemn outright terror vs. Israeli citizens.
And you have nothing but denial.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)One can only hope based on the breath of your posts and sources that they'll
reconsider your false accusations.
We're done here.