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Tace

(6,800 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:46 AM Jun 2014

What Palestinian Unity Is All About - The Real Task Ahead | Ramzy Baroud



Ramzy Baroud -- World News Trust

June 10, 2014

Palestinians are yet to achieve national unity despite the elation over the "national unity government" now in operation in Ramallah.

One has to be clear in the distinction between a Hamas-Fatah political arrangement necessitated by regional and international circumstances, and Palestinian unity. What has been agreed upon in the Shati’ (Beach) refugee camp in April, which lead to the formation of a transitional government in the West Bank in June, has little to do with Palestinian unity.

The latter is a much more comprehensive and indispensable notion. Without it, the Palestinian people risk losing more than a unified political platform, but their ability to identify with a common set of national aspirations wherever they are in the world.

Thus, a hurried agreement in Gaza that left many points of contention to be discussed and settled by various sub-committees with uncertain chances of succeeding is hardly the prerequisite to true and lasting national unity.

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http://worldnewstrust.com/what-palestinian-unity-is-all-about-the-real-task-ahead-ramzy-baroud
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What Palestinian Unity Is All About - The Real Task Ahead | Ramzy Baroud (Original Post) Tace Jun 2014 OP
Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #1
: ) Tace Jun 2014 #2
He is an articulate, thoughtful and intelligent young man, I think. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #3
Ramzy Baroud is horrifically antisemitic & supports terror (resistance) vs Israelis shira Jun 2014 #4
More bullshit....disgusting that you misrepresent that way. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #5
Here's Ramzy Baroud endorsing Gilad Atzmon's work... shira Jun 2014 #6
Oh please..why do you persist on portraying this good man Baroud as an Israeli hater. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #7
Good men don't praise or endorse Gilad Atzmon's toxic neo-nazi filth. shira Jun 2014 #8
Link it please. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #10
2 links showing Ramzy Baroud support for vile antisemites.... shira Jun 2014 #12
The first link is not the original, but what some poster added to a website. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #13
Denial. n/t shira Jun 2014 #16
I was 99% sure you had no link to the original, now you confirmed it..thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #18
So you're denying Baroud's support of Atzmon and Berlin? n/t shira Jun 2014 #22
Still can't come up with those original links? I thought not. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #23
It's actually quite easy to find Baroud supporting terror.... shira Jun 2014 #9
That you would construe this as support for terror is ridiculous. I will Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #11
There's no question it's support 4 terror. No other way to understand it. n/t shira Jun 2014 #15
That's Bibi talking, carry on. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #17
The raging anti-semitic and terror supporter, Ramsy Baroud: Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #14
Please show where Baroud condemns terror/resistance/rockets from Hamas, IJ. n/t shira Jun 2014 #19
Already have..he has never in any fashion supported, as you say, terror. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #20
Where? Link? There's no such condemnation. He supports armed resistance. n/t shira Jun 2014 #21
Link is already provided..why would he be hoping for new leadership for the Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #24
So Baroud has never condemned rockets, suicide attacks, etc. Why not just admit it? n/t shira Jun 2014 #25
Admit a falsehood for your quest to brand someone, so you can support Israel keeping Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #26
So u can't find one example of Baroud condemning rockets, suicide attacks... shira Jun 2014 #27
I don't need to, because you already came up short when you waltzed into this thread. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #28
It's obvious Baroud supports terror (armed resistance) based on his writings... shira Jun 2014 #29
Bibi Talk, carry on. If people with your mindset believe this garbage, I can't control that. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #30
Again, you have nothing but denial. Sorry, but reality trumps fiction. n/t shira Jun 2014 #31
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. Ramzy Baroud is horrifically antisemitic & supports terror (resistance) vs Israelis
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jun 2014

He has endorsed the work of Gilad Atzmon, who just recently praised David Duke.



 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Here's Ramzy Baroud endorsing Gilad Atzmon's work...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jun 2014

“Gilad Atzmon decided to open Pandora’s Box, and ignite a debate that has been frustratingly dormant for too long. His experiences are most authentic, views are hard-hitting, and, at times, provocative. It must be read and discussed.” Ramzy Baroud, Palestine Chronicle


Here's Atzmon recently praising David Duke:
http://soupyone.wordpress.com/2014/06/15/gilad-atzmon-praises-ex-kkker-david-duke/


Let's see first whether we agree that Baroud's support of Atzmon is odious. Then we can move on to his support of terror...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. Oh please..why do you persist on portraying this good man Baroud as an Israeli hater.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jun 2014

Shameful of you.

Baroud's words are right there, stop falsely accusing people of anti semitism.

His support of terror, you need a new meme.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
8. Good men don't praise or endorse Gilad Atzmon's toxic neo-nazi filth.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 04:49 AM
Jun 2014

They distance themselves from it.

Baroud is not a good man.

Here's Baroud praising the vile Greta Berlin:

Greta Berlin, our support and total solidarity with your noble efforts will not cease, but double. Thank you for all you have done for justice in Palestine. For the numerous hours you spent brainstorming ways to break the siege on Gaza, to dodge the Israeli navy, to act upon your beliefs in ways that some of us can only tweet about. You are an indefatigable warrior. I am sorry about the misguided attacks on you and your integrity. Please don't stop. Your courage will continue to inspire us. Much Love. Ramzy Baroud



Good man?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
13. The first link is not the original, but what some poster added to a website.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:00 AM
Jun 2014

The second is the same as your last one...Baroud found his book provocative.

I guess that makes him an anti-semite along with Mearsheimer


You need to try harder.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
9. It's actually quite easy to find Baroud supporting terror....
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:14 AM
Jun 2014
Demanding Palestinians to resort to nonviolent means of resistance is a miscalculated move, to say the least, for it indicates that violence for Palestinians is a strategic choice. The Palestinian individual (regardless of what a poet once said) is not born holding a rock or a machine gun. It is the persistent injustice and the people’s rejection of such injustice that compels Palestinians to resist. The nature of the resistance, its magnitude and duration, is often controlled by the behavior and response of the enemy, its brutality and inhumanity.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1605.htm

That's support for Hamas' agenda.

A recurring theme in Baroud's articles is his opposition to the PA's security forces that shield Israelis from terrorist acts. In fact, it's in his latest article in the OP above:

The PA is allowed to operate in the West Bank under the watchful eye of the Israeli army. In return for allowing the PA a space of operation, PA forces are involved in "security coordination" aimed at securing illegal Jewish settlements, reigning in Palestinian resistance and offering a line of defense for the Israeli army, which in reality is the one and only ruler of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

http://worldnewstrust.com/what-palestinian-unity-is-all-about-the-real-task-ahead-ramzy-baroud

Here it is in another Baroud article...

Needless to say, the West Bank should not be stable.

Instead, Palestinians should be leading their own revolution until they achieve their full rights and freedom.

This is not a call for violence, but a natural human course. However, Palestinians are not rebelling.

Many factors are holding them back, one of which is the very Palestinian Authority in Ramallah. Its troops are in constant “security coordinations” with Israel.

Its “elite forces” are trained by American generals and Arab armies. The PA mission is not to liberate Palestine, but to ensure the subservience of the Palestinians while Israel carries on with a colonial project that has extended for decades.


http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/the-stable-west-bank-dilemma-ramzy-baroud#sthash.EgnMYKQI.dpuf

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. That you would construe this as support for terror is ridiculous. I will
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jun 2014

keep this in mind when you support the actions of the IDF and speak against
B'Tselem...as you have slandered them in the past as well.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
14. The raging anti-semitic and terror supporter, Ramsy Baroud:
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jun 2014

lol

snip*Even the New York Times, known for its resolute support of successive Israeli governments, is also urging unity. “If there is ever to be an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement … the Palestinians must be united,” read its editorial, signed by the editorial board, on June 6.

He is such a supporter of terror, while he speaks against Hamas.

But Hamas and Fatah are also at fault. Their absurd infighting and allowing themselves to serve other parties’ agendas is both inexcusable and unforgivable. To think that both parties will continue to dominate the Palestinian leadership landscape for the coming years is not encouraging.

Palestine is not Hamas and Fatah, and Palestinian disunity didn’t start with both of these parties but has been an integral part of the Palestinian national struggle. The fragmentation of the Palestinian political identity is decades-old. It was perhaps the departure of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) from Lebanon in 1982 that accentuated the split between the Palestinian people’s struggle for freedom and their leadership. It was then that Palestinian elitism truly rose to prominence.


more: True unity would have to go back to the original questions that split Palestinian communities in Palestine and around the world in the first place. It has to contend with important questions concerning Palestinian identity, national aspirations, resistance and the outlook of an entire generation that was born after the signing of the Oslo accords in 1993.

Palestinian unity is not a logistical question, but a major undertaking that requires new faces, new names, new thinking, and dare one says, a new leadership.



Stop smearing a good man and accusing him of supporting terror.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. Already have..he has never in any fashion supported, as you say, terror.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jun 2014

You keep this up and I can link your condemnation of B'Tselem and your
blind support for Bibi and IDF actions.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. Link is already provided..why would he be hoping for new leadership for the
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jun 2014

Palestinians if he was such a supporter of terror as you claim? You make no sense.

Your opinions are based on Bibi and his nonsense..just to keep land that does
not belong to Israel.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
26. Admit a falsehood for your quest to brand someone, so you can support Israel keeping
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:23 AM
Jun 2014

land that does not belong to them?

No.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. So u can't find one example of Baroud condemning rockets, suicide attacks...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jun 2014

Gee, what a surprise.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
29. It's obvious Baroud supports terror (armed resistance) based on his writings...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jun 2014

He has admitted he supports armed resistance.

Add to that the fact that he refuses to condemn outright terror vs. Israeli citizens.

And you have nothing but denial.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
30. Bibi Talk, carry on. If people with your mindset believe this garbage, I can't control that.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jun 2014

One can only hope based on the breath of your posts and sources that they'll
reconsider your false accusations.

We're done here.

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