Are anti Jewish haters bigoted POS ... So good for the Rabbi ... Fuck em!

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In the comments section at +972 for this OP (Scootaloo made a comment there) Derfner claims there's not a shred of antisemitism in Ali Abunimah and Philip Weiss (mondoweiss).

Funny thing is 3 days ago Mondoweiss published the following about Jeffrey Goldberg using David Duke to condemn the PCUSA:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/goldberg-presbyterian-divestment.html

It's a long article that I recommend you read.

I can't see it as anything other than an apologetic article for David Duke masquerading as an argument against a logical fallacy. See for yourself and lemme know what you think.

Mondoweiss is making a comeback in some OP's here, BTW.

it's an almost sure bet that he's said something true.

there is far more hate in the response to the actions than in the actions themselves of PCUSA

led by the bigots who created "Zionism Unsettled." There is hatred of the bigotry of the action in the Rabbi's writing, which there should be. That isn't the same as hatred of the Church.

geez let's take a look a Boteach's words in Jpost again

The rotting corpse of the Presbyterian Church got another nail in its coffin with the vote on Friday at its general convention to divest from companies doing business with Israel. It’s bad enough that the Church is hemorrhaging members faster than Donald Sterling is hemorrhaging Los Angeles Clippers fans. Now the Church demonstrates that it has no moral compass and suffers from a healthy does of “underdogma” whereby right and wrong are determined not by biblical mandate or moral teaching but by whomever is the weaker party.

The Presbyterians supposedly believe in the Bible. I say supposedly because I’m confused by their general approach to morality, which seems to follow a show of hands every year at their general conference.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-holds-barred-By-condemning-Israel-Presbyterians-are-condemning-themselves-360328

The rotting corpse of the Presbyterian Church got another nail in its coffin with the vote on Friday at its general convention to divest from companies doing business with Israel. It’s bad enough that the Church is hemorrhaging members faster than Donald Sterling is hemorrhaging Los Angeles Clippers fans. Now the Church demonstrates that it has no moral compass and suffers from a healthy does of “underdogma” whereby right and wrong are determined not by biblical mandate or moral teaching but by whomever is the weaker party.

The Presbyterians supposedly believe in the Bible. I say supposedly because I’m confused by their general approach to morality, which seems to follow a show of hands every year at their general conference.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-holds-barred-By-condemning-Israel-Presbyterians-are-condemning-themselves-360328

sounds like the entire denomination to me

Then you're misunderstanding it.

If he was discussing the whole denomination then why did he keep saying "the church" or "the Presbyterian church" over and over again? In fact, the only time he said simply "the Presbyterians" it was in reference to an aggressive, but fair and in no way bigoted, criticism regarding their methodology for deciding ethical questions.

As opposed to the op author, who spoke critically of "the Jews" in a monolithic sense.

If this article made these same accusations of lax morals, but the target was a right wing pro settler synagogue in the West Bank, would you consider these same statements anti-Semitic?

Is anyone suprised ?
Classic comment from a religious Right winger .... he is pandering to his friends running our country :

Billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, among the top donors to the Republican machine this election, is also now the top giver – along with his wife – to the New Jersey congressional race of the reality-TV rabbi, Shmuley Boteach.

Mr. Adelson, who runs the Las Vegas Sands international gaming empire, and his wife, Dr. Miriam Adelson, who runs the Adelson drug clinic, have each given $250,000, or $500,000 total, to a new independent super PAC called the Patriot Prosperity PAC, according to people close to the Adelsons and the PAC.

Patriot Prosperity is supporting Mr. Boteach, who is running as a Republican, against eight-term Democratic Rep. Bill Pascrell, Jr. in a newly redrawn district in northern New Jersey.

Rabbi Shmuley, as his website calls him, is well-known in the New York-New Jersey area as the author of the book “Kosher Sex;” the host of the TV show “Shalom in the Home;” and a spiritual adviser to the late pop star Michael Jackson. Newsweek has named him one of the 50 most influential rabbis in the U.S.

“I treasure the Adelsons’ support. They are among the most generous and sophisticated political donors in the country,” said Mr. Boteach in a statement through his spokesman. The Adelsons previously have given directly to Mr. Boteach’s campaign. The $500,000 donation to the new super PAC “is a game-changer, and I suspect there will be many more like it,” said Mr. Boteach.

Mr. Boteach and Mr. Adelson, who are friends, are both acquaintances with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to people who know Mr. Boteach and Mr. Adelson. On New Jersey primary day in June, Mr. Boteach was in Israel for his sister in law’s wedding – where he had a private meeting with Mr. Netanyahu, according to an article Mr. Boteach wrote for Huffington Post.

Mr. Adelson, who owns a conservative newspaper in Israel, encouraged Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney to go to Israel last month, where Mr. Romney met with Mr. Netanyahu.

The Adelsons have recently given $10 million to the super PAC Restore Our Future, which supports Mr. Romney. Mr. Adelson has told friends he will give $100 million to conservative causes and candidates this election and to defeat President Barack Obama.

Michael Glassner, who is the executive director of the Patriot Prosperity PAC, worked for Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R., Kan.) in the 1990s and for John McCain’s 2008 race. He confirmed the Adelsons’ donations.

Mr. Pascrell just won his own primary against another eight-term Democrat, his friend Rep. Steve Rothman of Hackensack, in June.

Source:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/08/20/rabbi-shmuley-gets-boost-from-adelsons/

Politicking , because they have a "different culture " from you ? Or at least that's what you told Pelser .

and perhaps explains somethings we're seeing here

Re read the thread

....there was a court case back in 2006 , everything about the case is in Hebrew but I found this :

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/08/rabbi-shmuley-boteach-family-linked-to-illegal-arms-dealing-and-money-laundering-678.html

I look forward to the days when religions and those who profit from them get sent to an island to fight it out once and for all, and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

This author doesn't seem to realize that rabbi shmuley didn't write anything about Presbeterians at all, much less anything bigoted. He criticized the Presbeterian Church for a specific political act that he feels is representative of a failure of morality. Which one can agree or disagree with. Calling it hate speech though, is nonsensical. Notice how the author had to distort and misrepresent shmuley's words to make this accusation at all.

but here it is

The rotting corpse of the Presbyterian Church got another nail in its coffin with the vote on Friday at its general convention to divest from companies doing business with Israel. It’s bad enough that the Church is hemorrhaging members faster than Donald Sterling is hemorrhaging Los Angeles Clippers fans. Now the Church demonstrates that it has no moral compass and suffers from a healthy does of “underdogma” whereby right and wrong are determined not by biblical mandate or moral teaching but by whomever is the weaker party.

The Presbyterians supposedly believe in the Bible. I say supposedly because I’m confused by their general approach to morality, which seems to follow a show of hands every year at their general conference.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-holds-barred-By-condemning-Israel-Presbyterians-are-condemning-themselves-360328

Hence my statement. Everything you posted seems to support my conclusion and nullify the op's.

it's all in how you view what Boteach said

...for its scandalous cover-ups.

well okay then certainly I can add no more

Condemning the RCC for its scandalous behavior was not an attack on all Catholics, like Derfner is making this out to be against all Presbyterians.

The rotting corpse of the Presbyterian Church got another nail in its coffin with the vote on Friday at its general convention to divest from companies doing business with Israel. It’s bad enough that the Church is hemorrhaging members faster than Donald Sterling is hemorrhaging Los Angeles Clippers fans. Now the Church demonstrates that it has no moral compass and suffers from a healthy does of “underdogma” whereby right and wrong are determined not by biblical mandate or moral teaching but by whomever is the weaker party.

The Presbyterians supposedly believe in the Bible. I say supposedly because I’m confused by their general approach to morality, which seems to follow a show of hands every year at their general conference.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-holds-barred-By-condemning-Israel-Presbyterians-are-condemning-themselves-360328

Condemning the RCC for its scandalous behavior was not an attack on all Catholics, like Derfner is making this out to be against all Presbyterians.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65536

maybe this time you'll understand

But then his statements about, summaries of and conclusions drawn are all either untrue, misleading or extremely bigoted themselves.

Shmuley gets a pass cuz he's a Jew! (Who play victim to more easily oppress others!). else would've been lambasted!!!!

....fighting antisemitism in order to focus on Israeli infractions instead:

named him "america's rabbi" I have never even heard of the guy until this post. IT seems like the title of 'America's rabbi' is self-proclaimed at best.

But never knew he was as important as Derfner is making him out to be.

Did you bold the parts to show us where this author's own bigotry becomes apparent or did you just bold the parts you most agreed with?

There are plenty of examples of hateful prejudice in this post. Interestingly, none of them exist within shmuley's quoted statements but before and after them, authored by this journalist himself.

I have a question. We're you aware that those parts you bolded were even bigoted before you so publicly supported them? Or are they just statements you agree with, which you never would have considered prejudicial had it not been pointed out to you?

Assuming this came as a surprise, do you see what makes these posts so bigoted now that it's been pointed out to you? Do you still support these ideas now, even knowing that they're hateful, anti-Semitic and untrue?

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to be bigoted.

Thank you for the theater, though. Your performance above is almost believable.



On edit: I didn't alert on your post since I would rather have the DU readership see you, and your accusations for what they truly are: unfounded and fabricated.

Was he wrong to write:

...by Derfner. There's no getting around that one.

The NAACP is an American organization that shouldn't be pressured into stopping all their anti-racist work in order to focus on another conflict across the globe (to their critics' satisfaction). That sounds like something David Duke and his followers would take the NAACP to task on.

There's no getting around that one either.

Consider that Derfner defended Greta Berlin at her worst and it's clear that Derfner isn't the go-to guy for all that's bigoted or racist.

Ho do you spin that?

Let's see...

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Not that I expect you to answer me, but I'll answer you:

Israel is definitely oppressive to Palestinians, whether it's towards terrorists or the most peaceful of Palestinians. War is hell. It's unfortunate the conflict persists.

Who in Israel is doing the oppressing, shira?

Who in Israel is colonizing the West Bank, shira?

Who in Israel is creating an apartheid state in the West Bank, shira?


Hint: It's not the Pope.

He said as much in his reply.
Why do you think David Dike is involved in this conflict ? Jews

Go figure.

Jews is the reason everybody is involved in this forum except for the Palestinian posters.
But it is the major motivation of just about everybody posting here in IP on both sides of the conflict .

If we had a dime for every.....

Obama's Bullying of Israel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/obamas-bullying-of-israel_b_504291.html

A Spiritual Night in Hebron
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/a-spiritual-night-in-hebr_b_744577.html