Israel/Palestine
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What really lies behind the fact that there is no peace here yet? What are the origins of the pervasive brutality which permeates the states policies and our political life? Is our downtrodden past at the root of the prevalent violence? And, if so, how does one break this pathological cycle?
Many people have a childish tendency to always blame someone else. As in: They took it from me! It wasnt me, it was him! In contentious political relations between two parties, its always easier to blame ones adversary. However, one cant always put the entire onus on others. A dispute requires two sides, and were one side of the equation.
Over the years, weve grown accustomed to a situation in which Palestinian shortcomings become our main rationale for the absence of peace. In any case, where such a patently guilty party exists against whom it is so easy to incite the majority of Israelis there is no real demand that we undertake an accounting of our own share of responsibility for the situation. Its so convenient to declare complacently that there is no partner for negotiations, ignoring the truth that it is we who are no longer partners for negotiations over most issues particularly when it comes to assuming responsibility for the situation. Why is this the case?
The tactics are obvious. Ever since 1967, Israel has strived to hold on to as many bargaining chips as possible. Over the years, we have become enamored with these chips and find it difficult to let go of them. Thus, we do everything possible to delay the anticipated negotiation process. When it does arrive, as happens periodically every few years, Israel simply cant bring itself to make use of the cards it holds and put them on the table in exchange for the big prize: peace. Again, the question is: Why cant it deliver the goods? What lurks in the depths of the Israeli players soul, whether he is affiliated to Labor or Likud, which prevents him from relinquishing the occupied territories? What lies behind this dread of peace, reconciliation and integration?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601971
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Of course it must come from within, no one can tell people get out there en masse, now.
Your OP highlights this, I feel this may be the only way out:
Only one thing will raise the elephant from its current pose: a nonviolent campaign of civil disobedience, a creative and determined insurrection aimed at one goal attaining equal rights. It seems as if there has been a recent awakening among Palestinians in this direction.
K&R
bemildred
(90,061 posts)that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels
upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" works pretty well too.
I watched "Django Unchained" last night with my wife. What a hoot. We seem to finally be allowing our own unmentionable history into the public view. Really annoys the "slaves were happy and well-cared for" people.
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Mosby This message was self-deleted by its author.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That's a story liberal Zionists told themselves so often they wound up believing it.
The constant settlement expansion tells the story --Israel doesn't want peace with the Palestinians. It wants absolute power over them. Power, force, violence, the imposition of their will-that is the solution to all problems. Very Nietzschean.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)So events like the evacuation of all settlers and soldiers from Sinai in exchange for peace was a mirage?
The same happening from Gaza never occurred?
The myriad offers granting Palestinians sovereignty over most of the WB, most of EJ, and all of Gaza?
The treaty granting them their democratic democracy? How does that fit in with maintaining "absolute power?"
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Judea and Samaria they call it. They insist on owning 100% of the WB's borders, control over its air space, etc.
Power, control, dominion.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)The West Bank and the Palestinians aren't the same thing. You said they never intended on using these area as bargaining chips yet i demonstrated several examples of times they did. Israel doesn't even control all the borders of Gaza so what you're saying is just patently untrue. There are multiple examples of Israel handing control over to the Palestinians themselves which you simply ignore. Focusing on things like airspace while ignoring the formation of a palestinian government shows the hollowness of your argument that the Israelis demand "absolute control." They've already given up absolute control. You just refuse to admit it.
msongs
(67,443 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Please tell us in particular how their behavior was warlike during the crusades, in Tsarist Russia, and under Nazi Germany.
Also, tell us how "Israelites having a 3000 year old history" is not a weaselish way of Jew-baiting.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Israel's behavior towards Palestianians is truly disgusting.
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)Israel has existed since 1948, and the Occupation since 1967. Anyone who refers to the I/P situation in terms of 3000 years, has an ugly agenda.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Who?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)How about saying instead that HUMANS have a history of thousands of years regarding their views on peace, and much of it isn't a good one.