Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:48 PM Aug 2014

Daniel Levy: 'No just war'

Israeli scholar and former negotiator Daniel Levy tells DW that Israel has gone beyond legitimate self-defense in its war against Hamas. The Palestinian issue cannot be solved militarily, he says. sraeli scholar and former negotiator Daniel Levy tells DW that Israel has gone beyond legitimate self-defense in its war against Hamas. The Palestinian issue cannot be solved militarily, he says.

DW: Do you think that this is a just war?

Daniel Levy: I think that Israel's right to defend itself when its adversaries are violating international law by indiscriminately firing on civilians allows for a just Israeli response. However, the Israeli response, I think it is clear to see, has been disproportionate and had not kept within realms of what could be called a just war.

When you see that hospitals, schools and shelters have been targeted and certainly been hit, when you see the civilian casualty toll on the Palestinian side, when you see that there is a ratio of civilian casualties that is approximately 300 to 1, I think this suggests that Israel has gone well beyond what can be called legitimate self-defense.

That doesn't mean that anyone should apologize that not more Israelis are getting killed, but one should also not apologize for calling this what it is. Which is a disproportionate response, a terribly, deadly and counterproductively response by Israel.

From the very beginning and for some period of time leading up to this and once more being in this crisis the Israeli position has been that Hamas a priori is to blame for everything. That they are using civilians as shields. What Israel has done, and this is in part why we are seeing such a big civilian death toll, is that it has preemptively absolved itself of any moral or legal responsibility.

If you say whatever happens, it is those guys' fault, then you basically say whatever I am doing by definition cannot be wrong and I am not culpable. And I think that is a terrible mindset to approach such an operation.

http://www.dw.de/daniel-levy-no-just-war/a-17827316?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf

1 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Daniel Levy: 'No just war' (Original Post) bemildred Aug 2014 OP
Yehuda Bauer: 'No great victory for Israel' bemildred Aug 2014 #1

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Yehuda Bauer: 'No great victory for Israel'
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:56 PM
Aug 2014

The Israeli historian and Holocaust scholar Yehuda Bauer explains why he believes Israel's policy toward Hamas is totally mistaken. He allso tells DW how he feels when Germans criticize Israel.

DW: How has the current escalation in Gaza changed life in Israel?

Yehuda Bauer: It has changed it quite meaningfully, because over two-thirds of the country was under attack by rockets. Although the rockets have not caused a tremendous amount of damage, the whole country was decisively hampered in its economic, social, cultural and other activity.

So the damage was very considerable, not in terms of material damage or of human loss of life but in many other ways. This is quite different from previous occasions.

What about the atmosphere?

Well, I am afraid to say that there has been a polarization of views and attitudes. The vast majority of Israeli Jews, and quite a number of Israeli Arabs as well, identify with the Israeli response in Gaza and that gave rise to the strengthening of far-right attitudes and views.

On the other hand you have the opposition. A part of the opposition has been, and is, opposed to the Israeli response altogether; there were demonstrations and so on.

Are these demonstrators not a tiny minority?

There is an overwhelming support for the Israeli army destroying the tunnels that were obviously and quite explicitly intended to attack the civilian population on the Israeli side of the border. I also think the destruction of the tunnels is very important and I completely support that.

But there is an increasing opposition to going any further than that. I know that the top of the Israeli armed establishment do not want to conquer Gaza.

http://www.dw.de/yehuda-bauer-no-great-victory-for-israel/a-17827167

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Israel/Palestine»Daniel Levy: 'No just war...