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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 07:34 PM Oct 2014

Can the Palestinian Authority survive without the IDF?

Former Netanyahu security adviser says it’s illogical for the PA to demand Israel leave the West Bank; Palestinian official says it’s unreasonable for it to remain

The Palestinian leadership is bound for the UN Security Council, where it will demand a deadline for Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank. But, given the risk of a swift Hamas takeover of the West Bank, a former Israeli security official questioned the sincerity of the Palestinian demand, speculating that it may be acting against its own self-interest just to spite Israel.

Addressing donor states in a conference for the rehabilitation of Gaza last week, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas did not cite November 2016 as the final date by which Israeli troops are to leave the West Bank (as indicated in a draft resolution). He did, however, stress the need to set a time frame for Israeli withdrawal.

“Our Palestinian people and the region as a whole cannot bear much more. The regional situation is on the verge of the abyss,” Abbas said. “Therefore, we demand that the international community, more than at any time in the past, support our bid for a UN Security Council resolution setting a deadline for the end of the occupation.”

But Yaakov Amidror, who was national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu until November 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University, said that “the end of the occupation” would soon become the end of the PA and its leader, Abbas.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/can-the-palestinian-authority-survive-without-the-idf/
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King_David

(14,851 posts)
1. The end of the PA in Gaza happened after Hamas literally threw a bunch of them off of rooftops
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 07:48 PM
Oct 2014

Killed a bunch more and jailed even more of them .

Israel was blamed by an article in Vanity Fair that didn't appear anywhere else LOL

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. Should Israel withdraw from West Bank?
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:32 AM
Oct 2014

Sixty years ago Algerians revolted against the French who had ruled them for more than 120 years. On Nov. 1, 1954, the National Liberation Front (FLN), the leading Algerian underground, issued a proclamation calling upon the French government to enter negotiations, which eventually would lead to the creation of an independent Algeria.

The French made a tragic mistake by dismissing the proclamation, and subsequently a bloody war erupted, which historian Alistair Horne, in his seminal book, “A Savage War of Peace.” For eight years France fought the rebels, paying heavy tolls: suffering great numbers of casualties (even if they paled in comparison to the Algerian ones), being torn apart internally and becoming a pariah country abroad. Finally, in the summer of 1962, France pulled out of Algeria.

Charles de Gaulle, the French president who extracted France from the Algerian quagmire, wrote in his memoirs that “In 1962, France has rejuvenated itself. Our country faced a civil war; it was on the brink of bankruptcy; the world has forgotten its voice. Now it is out of danger”.

It is tempting to make an analogy between France’s Algerian problem then and Israel’s dilemma today vis-à-vis its settlements in the West Bank. The French kept 1 million settlers (nicknamed pieds noirs, black feet) among eight million Muslim and Berber Algerians, roughly the same ratio as in the West Bank: 300,000 Jews among 2.5 million Arabs. Sustaining this national settlement project against the local population’s rise for independence, puts Israel — as it has put France before — under grave internal and external pressures. The instinctive urge is to learn from the French lesson in Algeria, pull out of the West Bank and save Israel from a bleak future.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/oct/21/should-israel-withdraw-west-bank/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. The Middle East needs a Marshall Plan
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:33 AM
Oct 2014

On Oct. 12, representatives from international donor countries meeting in Cairo pledged $5.4 billion to help reconstruct Gaza after nearly two months of war between Hamas and Israel this summer. Barack Obama’s administration pledged to contribute $212 million, doubling US aid to the Palestinians this year.

But after three wars in six years, pouring yet more money into Gaza without a coordinated, long-term plan will not provide a solution. Nor will spending more in Iraq to solve that country’s crisis as it faces disintegration under pressure from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). And money alone will not rebuild Syria from the devastation of civil war or save the millions of refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, and Iraq who lack necessities for survival.

What the whole region needs, rather, is a Marshall Plan like the original, which brought war-torn Europe out of devastation and into peace and prosperity. Named for then–Secretary of State George Marshall, the project was key to rebuilding war-ravaged Europe and essential to the US effort to stop the spread of communism after World War II. It trained Europeans for jobs and trades, rebuilt its devastated economies, helped remove trade barriers and stop the spread of the red scare.

It is critical that the United States and its allies win hearts and minds against radical ideologies, whether the communism of yesterday or the radical Islamism of today. A Marshall Plan for the Middle East is key to stifling the seeds of extremism and bringing hope to millions of people in the region. The answer to the poverty and hatred and the violence they breed is economic opportunity through careful planning and long-term development.

http://www.yementimes.com/en/1826/opinion/4468

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. No, the Palestinians don't need a Marshall Plan..fuck that, but they could very well end
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:36 AM
Oct 2014

up with one.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. Minister Steinitz: Israeli withdrawal from West Bank would be 'committing suicide'
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:45 AM
Oct 2014

Intelligence and Strategic Affairs Minister Yuval Steinitz harshly condemned international pressure on Israel to reach a deal with Palestinians regarding the West Bank, stating such a move would be effectively "committing suicide" under current conditions.

In an interview with Bloomberg TV, Steinitz cited both Israel's experiences in Gaza since the 2005 unilateral withdrawal, as well as current events in Iraq and Syria, as reasons why withdrawal from the West Bank cause an existential threat to Israel.

"After the extremely negative experiences following the complete withdrawal from Gaza nine years ago, it would be difficult to take similar risks with the West Bank – especially when taking into account jihadist groups popping up [throughout the Middle East], taking large areas under their control," Steinitz said.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.622149

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
10. Sure, it couldn't have anything to do with all those resources they carefully carved out
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:50 AM
Oct 2014

with settlements. Suicide for who?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. I'm not getting into that argument.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:08 PM
Oct 2014

What they are doing now doesn't look too promising either.

I'm just fascinated by the fact they are talking about it. And that seems to be because of Abbas UN threats.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. They'll be getting pressured from all sides, that won't let up. Who they stand with in the
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:59 PM
Oct 2014

end is the worry, I think.

There is no argument that Israel took over the most valuable land within the WB...but they
know that too. I guess until then, the danger is seeing more violence in EJ too..awful stuff.

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