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Related: About this forumNew York Times editor admits holding Palestinians to a lower standard
A favored topic at The New York Times is the purported racism of Israeli society at large. It has been the topic, again and again, of Op-Eds, editorials and news stories. Conversely, Times editors seem ever reluctant to approach the subject of Palestinian racism, although there is no dearth of material there.
Why this discrepancy?
Times opinion editor Matt Seaton today provided a window into the mindset of the editors in his response to a query by this media analyst about whether readers can expect two hit pieces on Palestinian racism in the next month in keeping with the pace of the publication of (error-ridden) screeds about Israeli racism, both real and imagined.
Seaton, a former editor at the Guardian, known for its hostile treatment of Israel, tweeted back that The Times opinion pages would cover Palestinian racism as soon as they have [a] sovereign state to discriminate with.
The editors stunning admission that he considers Palestinians exempt from scrutiny due to their stateless existence followed the Oct. 27 publication of yet another Op-Ed which accused Israeli society as being racist. About Rula Jebreals Oct. 27 (Minority life in Israel), Seaton tweeted: Often overlooked, an insight into the life of one-fifth of Israeli citizens who are Palestinian.
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http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/new-york-times-editor-admits-lower-standard-for-palestinians/#ixzz3HfntGUTV
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sort of changes things when when the Jerusalem bureau chief doesn't have a kid serving in IDF
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)soon as they have sovereign state to discriminate with.
ha ha, that is a very good wise ass statement..I like it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Sweden was the most recent country to do so.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)and all is well. Cool.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, almost the same number of countries recognize Palestine as a sovereign state as Israel.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It surprises me that you hold this opinion.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)As opposed to its prior status as "territory."
However, as Palestine is under occupation, it is not sovereign.
Basic stuff, oberliner. Keep it together.
shira
(30,109 posts)...that the NYT should withhold specific criticisms of Fatah and Hamas due to the fact they don't have a sovereign state? Do you agree with such a policy?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)However I've explained to you many times that yes, it makes sense to hold occupied people to a different standard than one holds their occupier to. It makes sense to hold an abused person and their abuser to different standards. It makes sense to hold the victims of ethnic cleansing to a different expectation than one holds the perpetrators to.
shira
(30,109 posts)...who oppress their own people and they do not deserve a pass.
If you give these dictators a pass before they have a state, what kind of state do you expect them to run?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Also, notethat your OP talks about whining over pieces discussing Israel's racism. Squat-diddle to do with Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, islamic Jihad, Greta Berlin, Flotillas to Tibet, Haj Amin al-Husseini, or any of the other diversionary garbage you constantly cough up.
shira
(30,109 posts)Unless you're equating the people with the leadership that oppresses them.
shira
(30,109 posts)Good to see you don't have a problem with racism within Palestinian society. Is it fair to say you have a problem with people criticizing anything Hamas or Fatah says or does b/c they don't have a sovereign state?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)people who share his views?
Tsk, tsk, shira. When you stop posting his bullshit, maybe someone will
give a damn what your OP is talking about it...until then, good luck.
shira
(30,109 posts)Hillary Clinton has endorsed him and his work.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Let me guess, Clinton must be his cover..in your eyes? Clinton is concerned
about the Palestinians and the education of their children? It's why they did that
joint conference, at the time.
How many times did she meet to discuss the content of material found in
Israeli children's text books? hmmm, I think we know.
On edit: I asked you about Marcus because he is a racist you rely on who is
also a settler living in the OPT. You find him objective, that's the word you
applied..when you stop using him as a source, I may take your deep concern
about racism seriously.
Your OP is written by a rep of CAMERA, btw...get serious, shira.
shira
(30,109 posts)And now Marcus is a racist because..........?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)in my earlier post.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West
The movie begins with the following statement:[4]
This is a film about radical Islamic terror. A dangerous ideology, fueled by religious hatred. It's important to remember most Muslims are peaceful and do not support terror. This is not a film about them. This is a film about a radical worldview, and the threat it poses to us all, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.
The film uses many images from Arab TV, provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute and Palestinian Media Watch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsession:_Radical_Islam%27s_War_Against_the_West
He is selective in his edits and translations and lack of context when it suits him..his racist agenda.
shira
(30,109 posts)Does that make Dershowitz a racist too?
Are you sure you want to proceed with this idiocy?
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Not sure I agree about selective editing, translating, lacking context.
But if your sources are selective in their edits and translations, lacking context...can we then agree your sources are racist?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)by Palwatch.
Dershowitz is not a racist? Selective hatred of all things Palestinian and perfectly
capable of justifying torture...great guy. Someone put a gun to his head and
forced him to be interviewed for the film? Do you know what he had to say?
shira
(30,109 posts)Dershowitz is not a racist either, but I do understand the need to label all your opponents racists due to your inability to argue rationally against them.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I understand.
shira
(30,109 posts)...about Palestinian racism until they're sovereign.
You don't see the problem with that?
If you agree about giving them a pass on their behavior before they have a state, what kind of state do you think they're going to have? They've already stated FTR it would be an apartheid state, free of Jews.
And here you are daring to lecture someone else on racism?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)CAMERA and Itamar Marcus.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Well, no. Like Marcus, Dershy was a bigoted sack of shit long before the Clarion Project decided to come up with an Islam-themed version of Jud Suss. Their bigotry is why they are interviewed in the thing. They are used to reinforce the "documentary's" theme that muslims are evil animals who we need to treat as enemies wherever we find them.
And you keep sourcing people involved with this doc, too. In fact it seems that the Der Ewige Muslimisch is sort of a unifying point, a who's-who of modern Zionism.
shira
(30,109 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Good way to polish those liberal credentials of yours. What next, posting articles by Caroline Glick?
Oh wait.
shira
(30,109 posts)...throughout his career dwarf those of anyone at DU.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I wouldn't call that a "liberal accomplishment." Nor his provision of legal aid to a buddy of his who later plead guilty to soliciting sex from a minor.
it's interesting that he's a proponent of animal rights, but an opponent of human rights for Arabs and Muslims.
In fact that seems to be his major "accomplishment," helping create and establish the notion that raging hatred of Muslims, Arabs,, and Palestinians is a "liberal virtue."