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shira

(30,109 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:19 PM Oct 2014

New York Times editor admits holding Palestinians to a lower standard

A favored topic at The New York Times is the purported racism of Israeli society at large. It has been the topic, again and again, of Op-Eds, editorials and news stories. Conversely, Times editors seem ever reluctant to approach the subject of Palestinian racism, although there is no dearth of material there.

Why this discrepancy?

Times opinion editor Matt Seaton today provided a window into the mindset of the editors in his response to a query by this media analyst about whether readers “can expect two hit pieces on Palestinian racism in the next month” in keeping with the pace of the publication of (error-ridden) screeds about Israeli racism, both real and imagined.

Seaton, a former editor at the Guardian, known for its hostile treatment of Israel, tweeted back that The Times opinion pages would cover Palestinian racism as “soon as they have [a] sovereign state to discriminate with.”

The editor’s stunning admission that he considers Palestinians exempt from scrutiny due to their stateless existence followed the Oct. 27 publication of yet another Op-Ed which accused Israeli society as being racist. About Rula Jebreal’s Oct. 27 (“Minority life in Israel”), Seaton tweeted: “Often overlooked, an insight into the life of one-fifth of Israeli citizens who are Palestinian.”

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http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/new-york-times-editor-admits-lower-standard-for-palestinians/#ixzz3HfntGUTV

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New York Times editor admits holding Palestinians to a lower standard (Original Post) shira Oct 2014 OP
They could hire Itamar Marcus, that would satisfy quite a few readers here and in Israel. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #1
ya know I this piece in ToI a few hours ago and how long before we'd see it here azurnoir Oct 2014 #3
Always good for a laugh...yep. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #4
Guess Ethan Bronner is sorely missed azurnoir Oct 2014 #2
If that's true, about Seaton saying just that..good for him. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #5
The UN and most of the world recognizes a sovereign Palestinian state oberliner Oct 2014 #7
Right, so the Palestinians should sit back and relax, the occupation is over too Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #8
I am just saying most of the world recognized that they are a sovereign state oberliner Oct 2014 #9
But they're not. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #10
Most of the world disagrees with you oberliner Oct 2014 #11
You know damn well not in the way it needs to count, oberliner. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #12
No, they recognized Palestine as a state. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #13
You think it was a smart move for Matt Seaton to admit... shira Oct 2014 #15
Well, I think his comment was mostly snark Scootaloo Oct 2014 #35
So Hamas and Fatah are abused victims? They're totalitarian fascists.... shira Oct 2014 #37
Palestinians are, Shira. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #38
Hamas and Fatah run the Palestinian territories, not the people. shira Oct 2014 #39
It's true. It's on Twitter... shira Oct 2014 #14
The irony of your posts. Strawman specials are your specialty..no worries. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #16
Evasions and deflections are your specialty...no worries. n/t shira Oct 2014 #17
I don't feel I evaded, you don't think if the NYT hires Itamar Marcus, that wouldn't satisfy Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #18
Well, you did. And what does Itamar Marcus have to do with the OP? shira Oct 2014 #19
Yea she did in 2007 and how does that change the fact that Marcus is a racist? Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #20
Still evading, didn't say what Marcus has to do with OP... shira Oct 2014 #21
He has been a racist for a long time...his twisted and selective edits represent that. See on edit Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #22
How is he a racist? Be specific. n/t shira Oct 2014 #23
I already told you, and there is much more, but you'll instead claim not to remember: Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #24
Marcus, like Dershowitz, was interviewed in the movie... shira Oct 2014 #25
You're going to pretend you can't read too?? The content for the film was provided in part Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #26
So you have nothing to prove he's a racist. No worries. shira Oct 2014 #27
For the record, providing film footage and interviews for the racist film is a no worry for you, Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #28
You agree with Matt Seaton about withholding stories.... shira Oct 2014 #29
I don't believe you appreciate his intended use of irony, either. But carry on, shira...you and Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #30
There was no irony. Only the NYT giving Paletinian racism a pass. n/t shira Oct 2014 #31
Uh huh. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #32
And of course yr endorsement of NYT policy on Palestinian racism. n/t shira Oct 2014 #33
Right..you're so convincing, shira. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #34
"Does that make Dershowitz a racist too?" Scootaloo Oct 2014 #36
Well, every Zionist is a racist to you so that doesn't mean much. n/t shira Oct 2014 #40
Well, you go on defending a proponent of torture and mass retribution agaisnt Muslims, Shira Scootaloo Oct 2014 #41
I'll defend anyone against false charges. And Dersh's liberal accomplishments..... shira Oct 2014 #42
He thinks torture is okay and that entire towns should be destroyed if a terrorist comes from one Scootaloo Oct 2014 #43
racism? jews, israelis, palestinians and mulims are not a 'races' nt msongs Oct 2014 #6

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. Guess Ethan Bronner is sorely missed
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:24 PM
Oct 2014

sort of changes things when when the Jerusalem bureau chief doesn't have a kid serving in IDF

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. If that's true, about Seaton saying just that..good for him.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:35 PM
Oct 2014

“soon as they have sovereign state to discriminate with.”

ha ha, that is a very good wise ass statement..I like it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. The UN and most of the world recognizes a sovereign Palestinian state
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:18 PM
Oct 2014

Sweden was the most recent country to do so.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Right, so the Palestinians should sit back and relax, the occupation is over too
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:56 PM
Oct 2014

and all is well. Cool.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. I am just saying most of the world recognized that they are a sovereign state
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:04 PM
Oct 2014

In fact, almost the same number of countries recognize Palestine as a sovereign state as Israel.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. No, they recognized Palestine as a state.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:36 PM
Oct 2014

As opposed to its prior status as "territory."

However, as Palestine is under occupation, it is not sovereign.

Basic stuff, oberliner. Keep it together.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. You think it was a smart move for Matt Seaton to admit...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:51 AM
Oct 2014

...that the NYT should withhold specific criticisms of Fatah and Hamas due to the fact they don't have a sovereign state? Do you agree with such a policy?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
35. Well, I think his comment was mostly snark
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:13 PM
Oct 2014

However I've explained to you many times that yes, it makes sense to hold occupied people to a different standard than one holds their occupier to. It makes sense to hold an abused person and their abuser to different standards. It makes sense to hold the victims of ethnic cleansing to a different expectation than one holds the perpetrators to.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
37. So Hamas and Fatah are abused victims? They're totalitarian fascists....
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:28 PM
Oct 2014

...who oppress their own people and they do not deserve a pass.

If you give these dictators a pass before they have a state, what kind of state do you expect them to run?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
38. Palestinians are, Shira.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:35 PM
Oct 2014

Also, notethat your OP talks about whining over pieces discussing Israel's racism. Squat-diddle to do with Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, islamic Jihad, Greta Berlin, Flotillas to Tibet, Haj Amin al-Husseini, or any of the other diversionary garbage you constantly cough up.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
39. Hamas and Fatah run the Palestinian territories, not the people.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:50 PM
Oct 2014

Unless you're equating the people with the leadership that oppresses them.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. It's true. It's on Twitter...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:49 AM
Oct 2014

Good to see you don't have a problem with racism within Palestinian society. Is it fair to say you have a problem with people criticizing anything Hamas or Fatah says or does b/c they don't have a sovereign state?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. I don't feel I evaded, you don't think if the NYT hires Itamar Marcus, that wouldn't satisfy
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:19 PM
Oct 2014

people who share his views?

Tsk, tsk, shira. When you stop posting his bullshit, maybe someone will
give a damn what your OP is talking about it...until then, good luck.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
19. Well, you did. And what does Itamar Marcus have to do with the OP?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:40 PM
Oct 2014

Hillary Clinton has endorsed him and his work.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. Yea she did in 2007 and how does that change the fact that Marcus is a racist?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:47 PM
Oct 2014

Let me guess, Clinton must be his cover..in your eyes? Clinton is concerned
about the Palestinians and the education of their children? It's why they did that
joint conference, at the time.

How many times did she meet to discuss the content of material found in
Israeli children's text books? hmmm, I think we know.

On edit: I asked you about Marcus because he is a racist you rely on who is
also a settler living in the OPT. You find him objective, that's the word you
applied..when you stop using him as a source, I may take your deep concern
about racism seriously.

Your OP is written by a rep of CAMERA, btw...get serious, shira.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. Still evading, didn't say what Marcus has to do with OP...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:50 PM
Oct 2014

And now Marcus is a racist because..........?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. He has been a racist for a long time...his twisted and selective edits represent that. See on edit
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:52 PM
Oct 2014

in my earlier post.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. I already told you, and there is much more, but you'll instead claim not to remember:
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:00 PM
Oct 2014

Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West

The movie begins with the following statement:[4]

This is a film about radical Islamic terror. A dangerous ideology, fueled by religious hatred. It's important to remember most Muslims are peaceful and do not support terror. This is not a film about them. This is a film about a radical worldview, and the threat it poses to us all, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.

The film uses many images from Arab TV, provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute and Palestinian Media Watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsession:_Radical_Islam%27s_War_Against_the_West

He is selective in his edits and translations and lack of context when it suits him..his racist agenda.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
25. Marcus, like Dershowitz, was interviewed in the movie...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:07 PM
Oct 2014

Does that make Dershowitz a racist too?

Are you sure you want to proceed with this idiocy?

----------------

Not sure I agree about selective editing, translating, lacking context.

But if your sources are selective in their edits and translations, lacking context...can we then agree your sources are racist?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
26. You're going to pretend you can't read too?? The content for the film was provided in part
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:10 PM
Oct 2014

by Palwatch.

Dershowitz is not a racist? Selective hatred of all things Palestinian and perfectly
capable of justifying torture...great guy. Someone put a gun to his head and
forced him to be interviewed for the film? Do you know what he had to say?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. So you have nothing to prove he's a racist. No worries.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:13 PM
Oct 2014

Dershowitz is not a racist either, but I do understand the need to label all your opponents racists due to your inability to argue rationally against them.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
28. For the record, providing film footage and interviews for the racist film is a no worry for you,
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:15 PM
Oct 2014

I understand.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
29. You agree with Matt Seaton about withholding stories....
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:22 PM
Oct 2014

...about Palestinian racism until they're sovereign.

You don't see the problem with that?

If you agree about giving them a pass on their behavior before they have a state, what kind of state do you think they're going to have? They've already stated FTR it would be an apartheid state, free of Jews.

And here you are daring to lecture someone else on racism?


Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
30. I don't believe you appreciate his intended use of irony, either. But carry on, shira...you and
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:24 PM
Oct 2014

CAMERA and Itamar Marcus.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
36. "Does that make Dershowitz a racist too?"
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:22 PM
Oct 2014

Well, no. Like Marcus, Dershy was a bigoted sack of shit long before the Clarion Project decided to come up with an Islam-themed version of Jud Suss. Their bigotry is why they are interviewed in the thing. They are used to reinforce the "documentary's" theme that muslims are evil animals who we need to treat as enemies wherever we find them.

And you keep sourcing people involved with this doc, too. In fact it seems that the Der Ewige Muslimisch is sort of a unifying point, a who's-who of modern Zionism.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
41. Well, you go on defending a proponent of torture and mass retribution agaisnt Muslims, Shira
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

Good way to polish those liberal credentials of yours. What next, posting articles by Caroline Glick?

Oh wait.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
42. I'll defend anyone against false charges. And Dersh's liberal accomplishments.....
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:17 PM
Oct 2014

...throughout his career dwarf those of anyone at DU.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
43. He thinks torture is okay and that entire towns should be destroyed if a terrorist comes from one
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:41 PM
Oct 2014

I wouldn't call that a "liberal accomplishment." Nor his provision of legal aid to a buddy of his who later plead guilty to soliciting sex from a minor.

it's interesting that he's a proponent of animal rights, but an opponent of human rights for Arabs and Muslims.

In fact that seems to be his major "accomplishment," helping create and establish the notion that raging hatred of Muslims, Arabs,, and Palestinians is a "liberal virtue."

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