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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:18 PM Nov 2014

Norwegian doc vows to defy Israeli ban from Gaza

Citing security reasons, Israel prevented entry into Gaza last month of Mads Gilbert, an outspoken critic who treated Palestinians during the summer war.

By Haaretz | Nov. 16, 2014 |

A Norwegian doctor plans to defy an indefinite ban to enter Gaza that Israel recently placed on him, Euronews reported Sunday.

Anti-occupation activist Mads Gilbert, who has been treating Palestinians in Gaza for 15 years, was last in the territory during Israel's summer offensive, known as Operation Protective Edge. Israel subsequently banned him from Gaza, citing security reasons, and refused him entry in October, according to various reports by European news outlets.

The Norwegian embassy in Tel Aviv announced that it would challenge the ban, Euronews reported.

Norway's secretary of state, Bard Glad Pedersen, was quoted by The Local news website's Norway edition as telling Verdens Gang newspaper: “From the Norwegian perspective, we have raised Gilbert's exclusion from Gaza and asked Israel to change their decision. The humanitarian situation in Gaza is still difficult and there is a need for all health workers.”

Gilbert penned a protest letter in the medical journal The Lancet in the name of 24 physicians in July. "On the basis of our ethics and practice, we are denouncing what we witness in the aggression of Gaza by Israel," the signatories declared.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.626697
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Norwegian doc vows to defy Israeli ban from Gaza (Original Post) Jefferson23 Nov 2014 OP
Why doesn't he just enter Gaza from Egypt? oberliner Nov 2014 #1
How many times has it been explained to you? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #10
Hes a security risk for the USA too.... King_David Nov 2014 #2
OMG, get him in jail..now.n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #3
Not Jail but definitely should not be allowed in, King_David Nov 2014 #4
Avoid that at all costs. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #5
Well it seems thats what is happening with this MD, King_David Nov 2014 #6
I would not hold my breath on that one. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #7
So should he be killed via drone strike? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #11
Nothing like that but prudent not to allow into the USA , Israel King_David Nov 2014 #13
Why's that? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #15
He seems to be a terrorist supporter King_David Nov 2014 #16
Any other opinions that should warrant bans from places? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #23
There's no "rights" of entry into the USA of a foreigner King_David Nov 2014 #24
Okay. But that doesn't answer my question Scootaloo Nov 2014 #25
why not MFM008 Nov 2014 #26
I was talking about his interviews with newspapers King_David Nov 2014 #27
oh dear TSA? Here Gilberts complete statement azurnoir Nov 2014 #12
Yep King_David Nov 2014 #14
yes I remember the same said in the days following 9/11 of any attempt at context or understanding azurnoir Nov 2014 #17
Oh really ? King_David Nov 2014 #18
I do not entirely agree or disagree for that matter edited for clarity azurnoir Nov 2014 #19
Anyone saying such a thing may or may not be a security risk to the USA King_David Nov 2014 #20
so you think Dr Gilbert may stage a terrorist attack against the US? azurnoir Nov 2014 #21
Hopefully we never find out, King_David Nov 2014 #22
I think we did in 2009 when Mads Gilbert visited the US and guess what nothing happened azurnoir Nov 2014 #28
Hopefully it remains so, King_David Nov 2014 #29
so what did Barack Obama's administration miss? Tell us please azurnoir Nov 2014 #30
Was not Obama King_David Nov 2014 #31
In July of 2009 when Dr Gibert visited the US Barack Obama was POTUS azurnoir Nov 2014 #33
Huh ? What personal attack? King_David Nov 2014 #34
Sometimes the threats come from abroad, King_David Nov 2014 #8
Trauma surgeon Mads Gilbert will defy Israeli ban on Gaza entry Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #9
Israel bars Norwegian doctor, but denies life ban Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #32

King_David

(14,851 posts)
2. Hes a security risk for the USA too....
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:27 PM
Nov 2014
(Mads Gilbert ) 'telling Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet in 2001 that the September 11 attacks in the United States were a result of Western foreign policy, and that he supported terror attacks in that “context.”


http://www.haaretz.com/1.626441

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. Not Jail but definitely should not be allowed in,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

Security risk.

I would not be comfortable flying on the same plane as this dude.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
6. Well it seems thats what is happening with this MD,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:52 PM
Nov 2014

He has been identified as a security risk, hopefully the USA also reacts to the threat as appropriately as Israel has here.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
15. Why's that?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:41 PM
Nov 2014

From post #8 you seem to be implying that Dr. Mads Gilbert is going to conduct some sort of terrorist attack. Maybe I'm reading incorrectly. Could you take a paragraph or two to explain what you're saying?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
16. He seems to be a terrorist supporter
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:59 PM
Nov 2014

Supported the terror attacks of 9-11 .

Slippery slope , he's definitly a risk.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
25. Okay. But that doesn't answer my question
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:19 AM
Nov 2014

Are there any other opinions you feel warrant a ban for entry?

MFM008

(19,816 posts)
26. why not
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:48 AM
Nov 2014

The man is a DR.only putting the Palestinians who were blown up by the IDF back together? Yeah thats a real terrorist.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
27. I was talking about his interviews with newspapers
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 08:05 AM
Nov 2014

About his support for September 11 terrorists and the attack.

Yep a real upstanding doctor.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. oh dear TSA? Here Gilberts complete statement
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014
His statement to Dagbladet was: "The attack on New York did not come as a surprise with the politics the West has followed the last decades. I am upset by the terrorist attack, but I am at least as upset over the suffering that the US has caused. It is in this context that 5000 dead has to be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." When asked if he supported a terrorist attack against the US he answered: "Terror is a poor weapon, but my answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mads_Gilbert

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
17. yes I remember the same said in the days following 9/11 of any attempt at context or understanding
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:49 PM
Nov 2014

at least from corners here in the US

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. I do not entirely agree or disagree for that matter edited for clarity
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:55 PM
Nov 2014

His statement to Dagbladet was: "The attack on New York did not come as a surprise with the politics the West has followed the last decades. I am upset by the terrorist attack, but I am at least as upset over the suffering that the US has caused. It is in this context that 5000 dead has to be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." When asked if he supported a terrorist attack against the US he answered: "Terror is a poor weapon, but my answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mads_Gilbert

I can understand quite fully where some might disagree about dead civilians especially Arab/Palestinian

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. Anyone saying such a thing may or may not be a security risk to the USA
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:58 PM
Nov 2014

Let's hope they taking the same precautions as Israel is .

No need to take chances.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
22. Hopefully we never find out,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:04 PM
Nov 2014

I'm pretty sure he would not be the 1st foreign supporter of the 9-11 attack to be barred from the USA .

Why would he be granted a visa after what he has said to the press? It's not worth the potential risk.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. I think we did in 2009 when Mads Gilbert visited the US and guess what nothing happened
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:24 PM
Nov 2014

no terror plots or attacks even remotely linked to him


On U.S. Tour, Dr. Mads Gilbert Gives Eyewitness Account of Gaza Massacre

http://www.wrmea.org/2009-july/on-u.s.-tour-dr.-mads-gilbert-gives-eyewitness-account-of-gaza-massacre.html

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
30. so what did Barack Obama's administration miss? Tell us please
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:26 PM
Nov 2014

could it be his statement to Dagbladet, I do understand how some would be upset at his equating dead Palestinian/Arab civilians to dead US citizens

His statement to Dagbladet was: "The attack on New York did not come as a surprise with the politics the West has followed the last decades. I am upset by the terrorist attack, but I am at least as upset over the suffering that the US has caused. It is in this context that 5000 dead has to be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." When asked if he supported a terrorist attack against the US he answered: "Terror is a poor weapon, but my answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mads_Gilbert

King_David

(14,851 posts)
31. Was not Obama
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:32 PM
Nov 2014

Where you get that from?

But if someone is a fan of 9-11 terror he's a threat to all of us in the USA .

Carry in if you wish but I'm done , I think it's pretty obvious to all.

CYa

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
33. In July of 2009 when Dr Gibert visited the US Barack Obama was POTUS
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:05 PM
Nov 2014

and why attack and dash? unless CYa wasn't a personal attack on me as it appears to be intended along with an accusation of being a fan of terror, I have nothing to cover for though

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cya

31. Was not Obama

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Where you get that from?

But if someone is a fan of 9-11 terror he's a threat to all of us in the USA .

Carry in if you wish but I'm done , I think it's pretty obvious to all.

CYa


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113487643#post31

King_David

(14,851 posts)
34. Huh ? What personal attack?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:20 PM
Nov 2014

Was talking about Mads Gilbert being a fan of 9-11 terrorists, not you.

And surely you don't believe Obama micromanage everyone allowed into the country ?

Hopefully he is barred from traveling here now.

Cheers , now I'm outta here.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Sometimes the threats come from abroad,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:55 PM
Nov 2014

Like in the bombing of Mikes Place ,they came from the UK....

The two assailants entered Israel from Jordan, via the Allenby Bridge



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike's_Place_suicide_bombing

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. Trauma surgeon Mads Gilbert will defy Israeli ban on Gaza entry
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014
Norwegian has worked in Gaza for 15 years and will resist attempts at stopping him returning there

Israeli officials told Mads Gilbert that he was banned indefinitely when he tried to re-enter Gaza via the Erez crossing last month. Photograph: Mahmud Hams/AFP/Getty Images

A Norwegian trauma surgeon and activist who helped provide life-saving medical care during this summer’s 100-day war in Gaza has said he will defy an Israeli ban on his return.

Chief surgeon Mads Gilbert, 67, has spent 15 years treating patients in Gaza and spent 51 days in Shifa hospital earlier this year treating many of the 11,000 Palestinians who were wounded in the war between Hamas and Israel.

When he returned last month to try and enter Gaza via the Erez crossing in Israel he was denied entry indefinitely.

The Israeli government now says Gilbert is banned from entering Gaza for security reasons. The Norwegian embassy in Tel Aviv has taken up Gilbert’s case on his behalf after he was refused entry in October.

“When we came back to the Erez border station the Israeli soldiers told me I was not allowed to go into Gaza,” he told media.

“I had a valid permit for multiple entries, an invitation from the Palestinian Ministry of Health and a recommendation from the director at my hospital.”

In a written statement, Norway’s Secretary of State, Bard Glad Pedersen, said: “From the Norwegian perspective, we have raised Gilbert’s exclusion from Gaza and asked Israel to change their decision. The humanitarian situation is still difficult and there is a need for all health workers.”

Norwegian authorities confirmed Gilbert had been banned “indefinitely” by Israel.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/15/mads-gilbert-surgeon-gaza-israel

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
32. Israel bars Norwegian doctor, but denies life ban
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:41 PM
Nov 2014

JERUSALEM (AFP) -- Israel has blocked Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert from entering the country and thereby accessing the Gaza Strip, but denied Monday it had imposed a lifelong ban on the outspoken medic.

"He has been banned from entering Israel," foreign ministry spokesman Paul Hirschson told AFP, categorically denying reports Gilbert had been blocked from entering Gaza.

Access to the Gaza Strip, which has been under an Israeli blockade since 2006, is possible only through the Erez crossing from Israel, or the Rafah terminal on the Egyptian border.

But Rafah has been blocked by Cairo since a deadly suicide bombing in the northern Sinai on October 24, leaving Erez as the only point of entry to the Palestinian territory.

News of the ban was first reported last week by Norwegian media which said Israel had barred Gilbert from Gaza for life.

The trauma specialist -- who has worked in the Palestinian territories for three decades -- accused Israeli authorities of backtracking Monday, following calls from Norway to reconsider the ban.

'Don't kill the messenger'

"They have a little trouble explaining if I'm banned from Gaza or Israel," he told AFP, adding that he was allowed into Israel in October but denied entry to Gaza by Israeli soldiers and later informed that the ban was "infinite".

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=740573

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