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Mosby

(16,334 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:24 PM Nov 2014

A refugee camp seethes with anger — against the PA

Another winter in the Balata refugee camp. And as the years go by, nothing here changes for the better. The same poor infrastructure, overcrowding, and poverty.

Dozens of people fill the streets. It’s not a holiday, just a day like any other. Overwhelming youth unemployment rates — 56 percent, according to Palestinian Authority statistics — explain why there are so many people idly wandering the alleyways.

The largest and one of most notorious of the camps, central to the anti-Israel violence and terrorism of the first and second intifadas, Balata sits only a few kilometers from the heart of Nablus. But the gap between the camp’s 30,000 residents and the city’s has never been greater.

Every time I’ve been here in the last 14 years, I have heard harsh statements against Israel, against the occupation. But this time, most of the complaints are directed against the Palestinian Authority and its head, Mahmoud Abbas. Even the Israeli occupation has lost its loathed primacy to the PA in the minds of the residents.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-refugee-camp-seethes-with-anger-against-the-pa/

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A refugee camp seethes with anger — against the PA (Original Post) Mosby Nov 2014 OP
The hate bags don't care for these Palestinians, unless.... shira Nov 2014 #1
Perhaps Israel should remove it's 500K+ illegal squatters so that these folks have some place to go. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #2
Sadly, the PA can't actually help, here. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #3
You should write for Maan King_David Nov 2014 #4
Did you forget the West bank is under military occupation? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #5
Yet more nonsense. Shaktimaan Dec 2014 #6
Yes, Shaktimaan, I know it's "Area A" Scootaloo Dec 2014 #7
Why do they need to expand? Shaktimaan Dec 2014 #8
You missed an important detail or two. Shaktimaan Dec 2014 #9
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
1. The hate bags don't care for these Palestinians, unless....
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 08:37 PM
Nov 2014

....the Jewish state can be blamed.

And if this is the way a future Palestine is run by the PA (like any other failed state in the region) then so be it according to the anti-Israel bigots.

This is what they support. This and Hamastan over in Gaza under Jihadist control.

Just lovely.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
2. Perhaps Israel should remove it's 500K+ illegal squatters so that these folks have some place to go.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:18 PM
Nov 2014


But why give it back when you can keep on stealing it?
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. Sadly, the PA can't actually help, here.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:36 PM
Nov 2014

Combat joblessness? Well, most governments, faced with the sort of unemployment found in Palestine - to say nothing of specifically refugee camps - would come up with a public works scheme. Rebuild infrastructure, expand communities, maybe even create some new ones, with roads and waystops to connect the two and encourage commerce.

Most governments aren't under a military occupation, however. To do that sort of thing, the PA needs to get permission from israel. and as we know by now, unless you have a kippa on your head and a gun in your hands, you're not getting Israel's permision to build anything.

Combat drugs and crimes? Well, most governments would respond to that by enlarging its policeforces, hiring and training new police to meet the problem.

Most governments aren';t under a military occupation, however. israel gets very skittish about the idea of Palestinian Police - to the point where it will bomb a police academy graduation ceremony cand call the hundreds killed 'terrorists."

And any government - occupied or no - would struggle to fund these projects anyway. Too bad in the PA's case a lot of its funding relies on the United States' demands that it further subjugate itself to israel's colonialism - a problem that isn't just faced by the PA, but also by UNWRA, as the US works its ass off to make sure its client state con conduct its conquest of Palestine unmolested and uncriticized.

The Palestinian Authority is failing Palestine, including these refugees. But it's not actually able to do anything but fail them.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. Did you forget the West bank is under military occupation?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:03 PM
Nov 2014

That the Palestinian Authority was supposed to be a five-year transitional government?

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
6. Yet more nonsense.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:27 AM
Dec 2014
To do that sort of thing, the PA needs to get permission from israel. and as we know by now, unless you have a kippa on your head and a gun in your hands, you're not getting Israel's permision to build anything.


Actually, this camp is right outside Nablus, aka: in Area A, where the PA governs over both security and civil concerns. IOW, no, the PA doesn't need Israel's permission to build infrastructure. What do you think scoot, that not a single building or road has been constructed or repaired for decades in the entire west bank?

Most governments aren';t under a military occupation, however. israel gets very skittish about the idea of Palestinian Police


So, you're saying that Israel has forbidden the PA from hiring or training any new police officers on the basis of their "skittishness?" Because I'm pretty sure the PA is allowed to do that. It's sort of implied by the word "security" in the description of the PA's responsibilities for Area A.

You know there used to be better access to jobs back when Palestinians were able to get israeli work visas easily. If it hadn't been for the intifada and subsequent suicide attacks the PA might not be so reliant on foreign aid to run its economy.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. Yes, Shaktimaan, I know it's "Area A"
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:41 PM
Dec 2014

I also know that Nablus is surrounded by 12 settlements and 37 "Outposts," that those settlers regularly conduct violence against the people of Nablus, and that the Israeli Army stands in total support of these settlers doing so. What this means is that there is nowhere for Nablus to expand to... unless Israel permits it.

Again. Unless you have a kippa on your head and a rifle in your hands, Israel is not going to let you build or expand a community in the west bank.

It's interesting you bring up the Intifada, because during it, uniformed members of the Palestinian civil Police force were targeted by the Israeli military. Israel considers Palestinian police a military threat. Which is, again, why blowing up a few hundred unarmed graduating officers was celebrated as a victory over terrorism by Israel. Israel doesn't forbid hiring police. But it has coercive measures to punish the PA for doing so, whether as underhanded as denial of tax monies collected from Palestinians, or as brute as simply killing the police.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
8. Why do they need to expand?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 03:44 AM
Dec 2014

The infrastructure in Batala is crumbling. A public works project to repair and rebuild wouldn't involve the Israelis in any way.

Regarding the police, there are currently very few if any in batala. Your example of Israelis targeting Palestinian security forces references a single incident; a reprisal attack for the killing of several Israelis at a checkpoint by PA police. As fucked up as this was, it was 15 years ago and has nothing to do with the lack of police in batala today. Nor does the retainment of gaza's tax monies Israel occasionally institutes.

Your argument is that the PA is totally unable to aid this camp in any way due to oppressive israeli policies, like shooting police and retaining import taxes. In reality though, Israel isn't restricting the hiring of PA police or attacking them, nor is it refusing to give the PA its collected taxes.

According to the OP, resentment in the camp is aimed at the PA because they've been refusing to take any responsibility for the town, which the unrwa usually handles. But since the unrwa scaled back operations some 80%, the PA has refused to make up the difference in lost services. The issue is one of internal palestinian politics, classism and wealth distribution; which is why anger has been directed at the PA instead of Israel.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
9. You missed an important detail or two.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 04:18 AM
Dec 2014
Israel considers Palestinian police a military threat. Which is, again, why blowing up a few hundred unarmed graduating officers was celebrated as a victory over terrorism by Israel. I


Actually the bombing you keep bringing up didn't kill hundreds of cadets. It was 40 people total, not all of whom were cadets. And I don't recall it being "celebrated as a victory over terrorism" either. But I realize you aren't a real stickler for accuracy with this stuff.

More importantly they weren't PA police, they were Hamas. And the bombing was part of a military conflict resulting from Hamas' refusal to end rocket attacks against Israel.

IOW, it's not really an example that supports your absurd conclusions.
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