Under Abbas, majority say they cannot speak freely
Those who pretend to care about Palestinian human and civil rights just shrug at this.
They don't believe criticism of Hamas or the PA is justified given that these organizations (not just Palestinian civilians) are oppressed. If Hamas and the PA decide to treat their people like shit, the anti-Zionist BDS'ers won't condemn them b/c condemning Hamas and the PA is considered to be in the best interests of the Zionist cause.
Two-thirds of Palestinians say they are afraid to criticize Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, according to a poll, and some recent actions by Abbas only seem to confirm claims that dissent comes at a price.
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http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=22203
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oh wait accusations of whitewashing well okay then 
so I understand how you wouldn't be able to handle it.
given the choice, how many Palestinians support the illegal occupation if their country and the apartheid system they live under.
Well, Israel pretty much crushes anything Palestinian so who wins there? Given a choice would the crushed Palestinian side with other Palestinians or with Apartheid Israel?
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We can never have a decent conversation when you do that.
And you do it a lot.
Most of the "crushed" would prefer full Israeli occupation over Hamas and the PA. There's a LOT more evidence of that available, but I warn you that it's a narrative buster for all you believe about I/P. Do you want more evidence of that? And once you see it, how will that change your view?
They had way more rights and freedoms under Israeli control.
I know those rights aren't important to you, like freedom for gays, women, christians, etc. Freedom of speech/dissent, assembly, etc. They had actual JOBS that paid better in Israel, border crossings wide open, no checkpoints, no reason for war....
You know, everyday stuff we take for granted.
Palestinians think those things are kinda important, and why shouldn't they?
A) Is from 2006...nearly 14 years out if date and,
B) Did not speak to 'Palestinians' wanting to live under Israeli occupation which shows that;
C) You can shamelessly cut lies from whole cloth.
Were you thinking that nobody would read your outdated and mythical link?
A) Your first link doesn't work.
B) Your second link (7 years out of date :face palm: ) states nothing about a poll that Gazans have taken wanting reoccupation of Israel. It does mention a journalist mentioning that, but that is not empirical data. It is, however wishful thinking.
C) Your third link (dated again 7 years out of date 
) is apparently in arabic. It doesn't have poll data either, does it?
D) Your fourth link (again from 2007 …I'm seeing a horrid pattern with you here.) Again has no polling data, but cites a journalist, again, from the second link musing about what Gazans want. That is not imperial data, shira, but it is, again wishful thinking.
E) Your fifth link is the same as your fourth link. Careful with the cut and paste.
F) Your sixth link (13 years out of date 
) Has more musings, but nothing else.
G) Same as link six. You're really horrible with the musings.
H-J) Back to articles from 2007 …and it is not a poll about Gaza, but about citizens of Israel. The poll does not mention Gazans wanting to be reoccupied.
So once again, shira, you have not failed in the absolute fail department. You have failed magnificently over and over, and I have no doubt that you will succeed in failing in the future.
Happy New Year!
-RDO
1. You're not going to find accurate polling data out of the territories. You know why? It's because they're run by totalitarian dictators who oppose any kind of dissent. Same reason you won't find accurate polling data that would disturb the narratives within Russia, N.Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.
But you knew that already. Maybe you didn't, and that's even worse for you...
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2. Those "musings" are hardly out of date. The Palestinians had already been occupied for 40 years. They had already been under Arafat's and Hamas' authority for years.
You're in clear denial. How pitiful.
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3. And I did show you a poll in the very last paragraph of my last post to you. You were asking for polls and you got it.
You punted instead, thinking no one would notice. Total Fail.
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4. But here's ANOTHER poll for you. Not specifically saying Palestinians want occupation, but that they prefer Israel's system of governance way more than the Palestinian authority.
Yet since 1996, Dr. Shikaki has been polling Palestinians about what governments they admire, and every year Israel has been the top performer, at times receiving more than 80 percent approval. The American system has been the next best, followed by the French and then, distantly trailing, the Jordanian and Egyptian.
In its early days, the Palestinian Authority held fourth place, with about 50 percent approval. Now, it is dead last, under 20 percent. Corruption, mismanagement and the stagnation of the Palestinian predicament have turned the culture of criticism against the Palestinian rulers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/02/international/middleeast/02LETT.html?pagewanted=1
Imagine that. Up to 80% approval of the (allegedly apartheid) Israeli Government by Palestinians. Over any other government on the planet.
Go on, ignore it, put some stupid smiley emoticons up, claim I failed yet again b/c the poll is over 10 years old and the Palestinians back THEN really didn't know better.
The fact is that Israel's system of governance - what you believe to be among the worst - was rated by Palestinians above any other western liberal democracy in the world. And that's what we call a NARRATIVE BUSTER.
No one serious buys your crap.
Those are you words, may sad friend Shira. Not only did you misrepresent what Palestinians want, but you also cut lies from whole cloth once again. you posted article after article hoping that nobody would read the I guess.
And once again, you have posted an article (from 2003 ...nearly 12 years out of date) that does not say that Gazans want Israel to reoccupy it.
Please stop misrepresenting the truth my poor dishonest friend. Anybody that can read can see you do it, and I am personally embarrassed for you.
Poor, stumbling you.
by Israel the pull was in 2005 and the Hamas take over was in 2007
that the vaudevillian posted in reply to me upthread there is nothing of substance to support their thesis(?) that Gazans want anything to do with Israel…let alone have them back as occupier.
What's worse is that the poster's tired tricks of loading link after link that go nowhere show how run-down and vacant their capacity has become.
There is no bottom to the poor old fellow, and it appears that no amount of reason will ever fill up the hollow old boor.
