Open your eyes!

That's not only anti-Semitic, it's just plain cowardly. People who do that are no different than the cowards who hide behind white sheets and hoods. They deserve nothing but contempt.

For what Israel does,

Jews everywhere are to blame.......

Singling out these students only because they're Jewish is blatant anti-Semitism,

"If you do not vacate the premise by midnight on 25 April, 2014, we reserve the right to destroy all remaining belongings. Charges for demolition will be applied to your student accounts."

The flyers from NYU Students for Justice in Palestine referenced Israel's controversial practice of demolishing Palestinian homes, but were marked at the bottom, "This is not a real eviction notice."

Many Jewish students live in those two dorms, but the notices did not go to them exclusively.

"It's an attack on the Jewish community," said sophomore Laura Adkins, 19, a pro-Israel activist. "It's specifically targeting Jewish students, which makes them feel not so safe."

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/pro-palestine-nyu-students-serve-fake-eviction-notices-jewish-undergrads-article-1.1768087

Laura Adkins is a blogger for Times of Israel and here she is claiming that only Jewish students were targeted when they were not

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/nyu-jewish-students-the-target-of-latest-sjp-propaganda-attacks/

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/author/laura-adkins/

March in Skokie ....

From your post :




Nothing new in this kind of AntiSemitism.

to Godwinize ProPalestinian students?

more about this in none of the cases including NYC were Jewish Students exclusively targeted

The Rutgers-New Brunswick chapter of SJP posted eviction notices Sunday evening on the residence hall doors on all five campuses as part of a campaign to raise awareness.

The mock eviction notices state they regret to inform the resident that his or her suite is scheduled for demolition in the next three days. If residents do not vacate the premise within this time, they reserve the right to destroy all remaining belongings under Code 211.3B.

http://www.dailytargum.com/article/2013/10/students-post-eviction-notices-across-campuses-to-raise-awareness

On Tuesday morning, December 10, approximately 1,500 students woke up to mock eviction notices in six University of Michigan residential dormitories.

Inspired by the Rutgers-New Brunswick chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine, members of Students Allied for Freedom and Equality (SAFE) dispersed the notices in the early morning in order to have students momentarily experience the feeling of receiving an eviction notice upon waking up — a feeling that thousands of indigenous Palestinians have had to face under Israeli occupation.

http://smpalestine.com/2013/12/11/students-post-eviction-notices-at-u-of-michigan-dorms-draw-attention-to-palestinian-plight/

http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2014/04/25/how-shoddy-journalism-turned-an-nyu-student-protest-into-anti-semi

Dorms were chosen because they were predominantly Jewish, same reason the friends of the BDS movement choose to march through Skokie ( outlying suburb of Chicago, predominantly Jewish but not every single resident )

King_David
22. It had nothing to do with "shoddy journalism"

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Dorms were chosen because they were predominantly Jewish, same reason the friends of the BDS movement choose to march through Skokie ( outlying suburb of Chicago, predominantly Jewish but not every single resident )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113490800#post22

This is same philosophy as David Duke if you check out his support for the BDS movement and the White supremists use the same tactics as these in the OP.

A predominantly Jewish student dorm is chosen to deliver these eviction notices to or a predominantly Jewish suburb - Skokie is chosen to march through and deliver their message.

Both groups then deny their tactics in the media.

What's the difference between these two groups then?
Same message , same philosophy,same tactics.

Sometimes even the same authors on their websites .

Godwinzing? If only , but this is real life in real time 2013.

that the dorms were Jewish dorms or that Jewish students were targeted, were claims made by a student blogger for Times of Israel Laura Adkins, the italicized part is from Ms Adkins writings for Times of Israel

http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2014/04/25/how-shoddy-journalism-turned-an-nyu-student-protest-into-anti-semitism

and yes your Skokie comparison is Godwinizing I note you've changed up

Star Member King_David (10,266 posts)
8. They issued the eviction notices to that dorm for the exact same reason the Neo-Nazi white supremist

March in Skokie ....

From your post :


Many Jewish students live in those two dorms,


Nothing new in this kind of AntiSemitism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113490800#post8

Star Member King_David (10,266 posts)
22. It had nothing to do with "shoddy journalism"

Dorms were chosen because they were predominantly Jewish, same reason the friends of the BDS movement choose to march through Skokie ( outlying suburb of Chicago, predominantly Jewish but not every single resident )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113490800#post22

more over these are from other universities where similar protests have taken place

in none of the cases including NYC were Jewish Students exclusively targeted

The Rutgers-New Brunswick chapter of SJP posted eviction notices Sunday evening on the residence hall doors on all five campuses as part of a campaign to raise awareness.

The mock eviction notices state they regret to inform the resident that his or her suite is scheduled for demolition in the next three days. If residents do not vacate the premise within this time, they reserve the right to destroy all remaining belongings under Code 211.3B.

http://www.dailytargum.com/article/2013/10/students-post-eviction-notices-across-campuses-to-raise-awareness

On Tuesday morning, December 10, approximately 1,500 students woke up to mock eviction notices in six University of Michigan residential dormitories.

Inspired by the Rutgers-New Brunswick chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine, members of Students Allied for Freedom and Equality (SAFE) dispersed the notices in the early morning in order to have students momentarily experience the feeling of receiving an eviction notice upon waking up — a feeling that thousands of indigenous Palestinians have had to face under Israeli occupation.

http://smpalestine.com/2013/12/11/students-post-eviction-notices-at-u-of-michigan-dorms-draw-attention-to-palestinian-plight/

There is nothing new here.

King_David
30. They told us the March on Skokie had nothing to do with it being a Jewish suburb too

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There is nothing new here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113490800#post30

With everything I say copied and pasted again... I lose what you say in a post where most of it is just my own post rewritten.

By the way? The Nazis never marched in Skokie. They threatened to, but never did - they went to Chicago instead.

still puzzled as to what a 1977 court case in Illinois has to do with a 19 year-old blogger's make-believe claim about NYU in 2013. Ah well, at least it gave us one of the better liens in American cinema.

Perfectly.

Damage Control.

I saw it all with the "Mistranstlation" biz and Irans President.

Same old stuff . There's nothing new here.

Campus eviction notices are fake, but their anti-Semitism is real, experts say





http://www.democraticunderground.com/113490897

Do you agree with this approach?

We own what we post.

Sometimes I have posted articles that I thought were of interest though I did not agree with the content.

Which did show definite agreement.

I wonder why that post was self-deleted?

This ought to be condemned. It would be like harassing Muslim students due to the actions of Muslim governments. Or Chinese-American students due to the action of the Chinese government. Not ok.

It is folly to think you can stop it in some places but not others.

There are bad things that go on all the time in lots of places. Can't hurt to try to stop some of them in some of those places.

Sort of like how people focus on human rights violations in Israel as opposed to dozens of other countries.

Morals and ethics are only useful if you apply them when it is not convenient, to people you hate. In fact, you have to make them habit. When you start to pick and choose, you choose none in the end, rights that are fungible are not rights, but privileges granted by the powerful.

Israel, like Uncle Sugar, has pissed on it's own moral authority (thanks to Bibi, he is so predictable) and will have to repair the damage if it wants to get it back.

Jewish students are not being "targeted." Instead, these stunt notices are slipped under / taped to doors en masse. Back in January, pretty much every dorm room at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor got one of these. If there are Jewish students in the dorms, they're bound to get them just like everyone else.

Do you think the fact that Palladium Hall is known to house a large number of Jewish students and is the only dorm to include a "Shabbos elevator" had anything to do with its selection?

hopefully it will clarify for you

http://nyusjp.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/eviction-action/

SJP is claiming they just chose these two dorms because they were the most accessible.

http://www.nyu.edu/about/leadership-university-administration/office-of-the-president/university-relationsandpublicaffairs/bios/john-beckman.html

Your link is to the NYU SJP Wordpress site and to an article by a representative of that group

They briefly quoted Beckman on the article you linked to which was written by Kumars Salehi on behalf of the NYU SJP.

I am talking about the article you linked to here:

39. About the Shabbos elevater a statement from John Beckman spokesperson for NYU

hopefully it will clarify for you

As we clarify in our statement, published Thursday the 24th, SJP distributed notices not only at Palladium, but at Lafayette as well. They are two of the largest dorms on campus, and were chosen because they were the most accessible to our membership. The charge of anti-Semitism was rebuked publicly by NYU spokesperson John Beckman, who explained in an email that,

we don’t believe there is perception of as being home to a higher percentage of Jewish students (the presence of a Sabbath elevator in one of them to serve Jewish students is the result of a stairway that empties to the street and cannot be entered through the lobby behind the security desk, not because of a particularly large presence of Jewish students in that building)….

Basically, Palladium has this elevator to allow practicing Orthodox Jews to live there. It does not reflect the demographics of the residence hall.


http://nyusjp.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/eviction-action/

That link goes to the NYU SJP article written by the person I cited above. The "As we clarify in our statement..." part is written by SJP, as is the rest of the piece. The article quotes part of an email they received from Beckman, but the article itself is written by the NYU SJP representative. Later in the article it says they chose the dorms because they were the most accessible. Thus my response.

Has Beckman refuted the email?

Is in the best interest of the Whitewash that is now in effect.

You view yourself to be way more progressive and tolerant than Oberliner?

Really? Seriously ?

albeit edits usually do not count for much perhaps its a tactic I should remember

And was very amusing,

No need to post it anyone can just see the edit history for themselves.

That is your forte,


No need for me to go on this line here, was just pointing out that I was very amused you thought yourself more progressive and to;event than Oberliner (seriously ? )


Thats all....amusing edit I stumbled on.

I am gone from this now.

like I said perhaps I'll remember that but generally I consider edits to just that edits and best left alone

I came across an amusing edit.

I don't think they out of bounds--- DU wouldn't have made them visible if they were.

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Star Member King_David (10,315 posts)
73. The accusation you made against Oberliner prior to the edit was extremely revealing.

You view yourself to be way more progressive and tolerant than Oberliner?

Really? Seriously ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=91066

that it may not have been remembered

At 4:13 p.m. Eastern I received the following email from NYU:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/04/dorm-storming-at-nyu-targets-jewish-students/

I am confident the email is an authentic one from an NYU spokesperson.

As to whether the NYU SJP student was being dishonest when claiming that the two dorms were chosen due to their easy accessibility, I really have no way of making any determination on that, though it seems reasonable.

SJP unfortunatly never knew this.

Jewish with Kosher Dining and Shabos Elevator.

Same reason the hijackers at Entebbe kept half the hostages ( non Israeli ones) because they were Jewish.

Same reason the white supremists March theough Skokie ( because it's a Jewish suburb)

That's the Vice President of NYU, speaking to the inestimable Zionist hit-site, LegalInsurrection.

So who are we going to believe here, the Jewish chaplain, or a 19 year old who posted a blog on Times of Israel and tried to pitch the story to Megyn Kelly? 'Cause she's the only source for the claim, and her name is Laura Adkins.

Two dorms were papered - Palladium and Lafayette. Adkin's claim that Palladium is "Jewish" is bunk, and she never mentions Lafayette. Can't blame her, as mentioning Lafayette would have to mention that that's where most of the flyers went (something like twelve hundred of them) and it's got the same predominantly goy-ish character that pretty much everywhere else in the US has. As does Palladium, which is evidently very far from the Jewish Ghetto of NYU that Adkins tried to claim it was.

There's also the problem that Adkins herself backed away from her blog post claims when it was constantly pointed out to her that she was full of shit.

In an email correspondence with mondoweiss' Phan Nguyen, she answered his question as follows;
Q: 1.Do you believe that SJP members were specifically targeting the dorm rooms of Jewish students?


It's not where the fliers were distributed, but rather their "flagrantly anti-semitic" content.
Trouble is, of course, her breathless blogger outrage was entirely about the where rather than the what. That's lie number one in her response, then. Lie number two is, of course, that there is nothing at all antisemitic - "flagrantly" or no - in the flyers.

She continues:
4. Do you believe that Palladium Hall has a disproportionately high concentration of Jewish residents? If so, outside of the Shabbat elevator, what other characteristics have led to Palladium Hall having the reputation for a high concentration of Jewish residents?


Again, her blog's outrage was about the where of these flyers. Now she's talking about their contents which, again, are not the least bit antisemitic. It absolutely certainly contains nothing at all that could be compared to the example she chose to use, there. I'll include an image of the flyer at the bottom of this post so you can see it, without having its hugeness interrupting the post.

Then on twitter, she backed even further away:


By now it's become clear that "Jewish dorms' were not "targeted" at all, and she is simply relying on the Idiot Zionist 9there's a redundant phrase) trope of casting any negative mention of Israel as Jew-hate.

She backed even further away later on twitter:


I wonder if she felt that SJP had gotten to Megyn Kelly ahead of her or something.

I'm sorry Dave, you got hooked and sunk by a teenager looking for a moment of fame, using a whackadoodle site's blog space to try to sell a story that anyone with a telephone or email account could have (and did) debunk.

Here's the flyer, by the way;

These dorms 100% were selected due to the fact they were Jewish.

Filthy antiSemitic actions exactly the same as the March on Skokie

Challenge yourself, for once.

There was no other reason.

The Dorms were selected and targeted for a specific reason : Jews live there.

Or even the originator if this BS, ms. Adkins, who never once mentioned the Lafayette residence. Which by the by, doesn't have a sabbath elevator (Palladium only has one because it's the only way for any orthodox residents to get out of the building on sabbath, as noted by the NYU VP)

I would go on a limb and presume Jews live in all 21 of NYU's residence halls, David. Are you suggesting that NYU ghettoizes Jews into just Palladium? if so, NYU must not have many Jews, as most of the people in Palladium are goyim. As are the residents of Lafayette.

Adkins' only basis for presuming Palladium is the "Jewish building" is that elevator. Which is, as noted, there only for the potential of orthodox residents, not due to a preponderance of them (can you imagine, one elevator, for over 900 residents? Oi vey.) She backed out of this claim, as noted.

The only demolition here was that of ms. Adkins' bullshit by NYU's own faculty.

And everybody including you knows exactly what that reason was.

The rest of the story is just a concerted and failing effort at Damage Control.

Apparently the people who conducted the papering live in those two buildings.

Nobody was targeted. Most of the people who got the flyers were goy, because they make up the majority of both buildings. NYU faculty called bullshit on the claims made by ms. Adkins, including the university's Jewish Chaplain. Adkins herself retreated from the claim, and had to try to make steam on the basis of "flagrant antisemitism" which, as you can see in the flyer, doesn't actually exist.

You were suckered by some kid's vanity project on a free blog space provided by the Times of Israel. Which she herself has retreated from.

Sorry Dave. I know you wanted to believe. But it just ain't so.

In spite of the huge effort and energy Mondoweiss has expended into trying to whitewash the incident ( for whatever reason ?)

It's not complicated , just like Skokie was chosen because it's a Jewish suburb these 2 dorms were chosen because the SJP percieved them to be predominantly Jewish.

No matter the reason for a Shabos Elevator, the SJP rightly assumed if a building has one then the demographics reflect this.
( Mt Sinai hospital has one too)

Quite disgusting bigoted action.

And the response and whitewash we are witnessing is very reminiscent of what was seen when the President of Iran used to make regular anti Jewish statements and one would see teams of paragraphs written about how he was mis-translated.

Same whitewash .

The NYU Jewish chaplain did not target Jews in the Dorms for delivery of these notices...


But the SJP did exactly that....and White supremacists did march on Skokie for the same reason.

The NYU Jewish chaplain was not involved at all except that he may have been targeted by the SJP if they had a chance to.

Your assertion is based on speculation by ms. Laura Adkins. NYU's administration investigated, and found, via the housing director and the Jewish Chaplain, that Adkins' speculation was factually false. If you had bothered to read the information provided by myself or Azurnoir, you would know this.

The SJP distributed over two thousand fliers between two residency buildings that housed mostly non-Jews. Why those two buildings? becuase they were the two buildings available to the people doing the action, David.

You were had. And it's probably embarrassing for you to get wooled by a kid like that, but you only make it worse when you try to pretend that it's all real... especially after that kid herself backs away from her own claims (and in so doing crabwalks into other blatantly false claims, but.. whatever)

Yep with a Shabbos Elevator and all.

I do not blame SJP for not knowing the true demographics of the Dorm , I myself would also assume a Dorm with a Shabbos elevator would be predominantly Jewish.

Sorry Dave. Even Fred and Lamont Sanford couldn't salvage this claim.

http://bronfmancenter.org/kosher-dining

But they chose the Dorm because rhey considered it a Jewish dorm. They weren't privy to all this extraneous info that all the whitewashers have brought out of the woodwork since.

Déjà vu the Iranian president being mistranslated and all the whitewash then.

Is it all Mondoweiss from the third paragraph down?

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/semitism-accused-targeting

Interestingly, Mondoweiss is the only outlet that seems to have bothered conducting any journalism around the story. Every other news article that pops up on a google of "NYU evictions" is rote repetitions of ms. Adkins' blog post, or news items about news items that repeat the blog post.

But there's an explanation for that:


Edit: Does it count as a news article, if it's just a blogger reblogging another blogger? if not, then it's just Washington Times and mondoweiss. The Times reports on the he-said-she-said around hte university rather than Adkins' blog. So that seems like something. The rest? Blog bait.

It's all coming together now.

It seems like this one student made an assumption about their targeting Jewish students in particular that was not necessarily true but made for good headlines so various news sources ran with that before doing any kind of fact checking, which seems to be the state of affairs these days.

The implication that this action was only (or primarily) directed at Jewish students is clearly erroneous, though I can see why Jewish students in particular (especially those with any affinity for or emotional connection to Israel, which many do) might be made to feel uncomfortable, which could have been part of the point (or not).

is being intentionally obtuse.

http://m.

also it should be noted that in the 8 months that have passed no actions have been taken against SJP at NYU

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/04/dorm-storming-at-nyu-targets-jewish-students/