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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:04 PM Jan 2015

State Dep’t threatens aid to Palestinians over ICC, but holds out no consequences for Israel

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/palestinians-consequences-settlements

Yesterday we saw two glaring double standards in the American official discourse when it comes to Israel and other countries.

First, in yesterday’s New York Times, longtime Israel advocate Dennis Ross called on all those who are pushing for a Palestinian state to offer Israel certain assurances, among them “a resolution of the Palestinian refugee issue that allows Israel to retain its Jewish character.”

Can you imagine the New York Times running an article saying that the U.S. has to be allowed to retain its white character in the face of rising numbers of Hispanics and Asian immigrants? No, you can’t. It goes against a modern liberal understanding of how societies are composed to say such a thing. Or retain the U.S.’s Christian character? Hogwash.

Now here is more hypocrisy flowing from the same official ideology, support for Israel. At yesterday’s State Department briefing, spokesperson Jen Psaki warned that the Palestinian accession to the International Criminal Court could result in a reduction of US assistance to the Palestinian Authority. The New York Times echoes this threat today: “Washington… is expected to cut $400 million in aid to the Palestinian Authority if the International Criminal Court bid is not reversed.”
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State Dep’t threatens aid to Palestinians over ICC, but holds out no consequences for Israel (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 OP
The kicker... R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #1
Notice how none of the replies are about Psaki's evident hypocrisy. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #10
Same old crap from Philip Weiss himself oberliner Jan 2015 #2
You remind me of people that can't discuss the OP. It's always attack the messenger. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #3
I quoted the OP oberliner Jan 2015 #4
"Same old crap from Philip Weiss himself." You started off with the usual attack. And... R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #5
Philip Weiss posts the same old crap repeatedly oberliner Jan 2015 #7
"If it was up to me, sites like Mondoweiss wouldn't be allowed to be posted here..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #8
When you constantly post Phillip Weiss, what do you expect? aranthus Jan 2015 #6
Go ahead. Post to them. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #9
Obie is discussing the OP. Weiss' statement was ridiculous. shira Jan 2015 #11
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
1. The kicker...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jan 2015

But as reporters suggested in their questions, the Israelis have been building settlements in the occupied territories for nearly 50 years and we haven’t threatened to reduce their assistance ever. Psaki tried to dodge the double standard question by saying it was up to Congress to reduce assistance.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. Same old crap from Philip Weiss himself
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jan 2015

"Can you imagine the New York Times running an article saying that the U.S. has to be allowed to retain its white character in the face of rising numbers of Hispanics and Asian immigrants? No, you can’t."

Reminds me of the people who complain about Black History Month. "Can you imagine the US designating a whole month to celebrate white people? No, you can't."

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
3. You remind me of people that can't discuss the OP. It's always attack the messenger.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jan 2015


Post something useful, ober. Let's see you try.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. I quoted the OP
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jan 2015

I think the comparison he makes is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject. Or rather a deliberately manipulative means to make a specious rhetorical point.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
5. "Same old crap from Philip Weiss himself." You started off with the usual attack. And...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jan 2015

I believe that he is spot on WRT Psaki's evasions.

I think the comparison he makes is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject. Or rather a deliberately manipulative means to make a specious rhetorical point.


Oh, you're welcome to go farther than the usual blanket statement, ober. Be specific. Cite examples of what you really mean...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Philip Weiss posts the same old crap repeatedly
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jan 2015

Just like, say, Alan Dershowitz - who is generally mocked when his articles are posted here.

I tried to pull a quote from the article that illustrates why, in my view, Philip Weiss ought not to be taken seriously.

That's pretty much all I have to say on this article.

If it was up to me, sites like Mondoweiss wouldn't be allowed to be posted here - like how it was in the earlier days before you joined the forum.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
8. "If it was up to me, sites like Mondoweiss wouldn't be allowed to be posted here..."
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jan 2015

No kidding? Really?

Well, it's a good thing we don't have censorship, ober style.

If we did perhaps not many sites would be allowed to be linked to.
If we did may I suggest Israel would be the bestest place in the entire world, and the Palestinians would not exist?


All I get from the lethargic deniers, IMHO, is how bad Israel is treated, but let's poopoo any criticism that shows it for what it really is: an apartheid state.


On edit: Thank you once again, ober, for showing that you can't even acknowledge the hypocrisy of Psaki.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
6. When you constantly post Phillip Weiss, what do you expect?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jan 2015

What would you say to continued posts of Thomas Sowell, Victor Davis Hansen, or Dennis Prager (assuming they were even allowed on DU)? You'd reject them out of hand, the same way that we reject anything by Weiss or from Mondoweiss.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. Obie is discussing the OP. Weiss' statement was ridiculous.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jan 2015

The same argument by Weiss could presumably be used to allow the Chinese to flood Tibet entirely; robbing Tibet of its cultural identity altogether.

There's nothing wrong with the Jewish state keeping its Jewish identity. No more than any other country wanting to maintain its unique culture & identity.

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