Demonization of Israel is made super easy by Israel themselves. It's like Kim Jong Un gasping at the mere thought that many many many people hate what his country is doing and he's wondering but why? That delusion is similar in Israel.

The people who deny the holocaust are a). relatively a small portion of society b). practically brain dead c). most likely racist and hold equally negative views of other minority groups

"Jew-Hatred" as he put it will never go away just like Black-People-Hate won't either. He is setting up an impossible expectation and uses that as an excuse to not even try. Criticism of Israel has stupidly been labelled "anti-semitism" by radicals. A free and independent Palestine would mean a less violent terrorist state of Israel. So everybody wins. The goodwill and the eventual healing in the region would go a long way to improving anti-semitism across the board.

Most antisemsm is coming from Muslim AntiSemitism, a huge problem in France.
There's 1.7 Billion Muslims and 12 Million Jews but in France they minorities too.

The extreme right such as David Duke and Rense and the BDS movement are extremely antiSemitic but have adopted the Palestinian cause .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113485328

So your post is factually incorrect.

David Duke hates Jews, gays, blacks, and hispanics. Like he said, most antismites are racist against other groups. He wrote articles and was a part of the KKK. His hatred for blacks is well known and documented as is his hatred for Jews.

Supports BDS too and helped by endorsing the Presbyterian BDS effort too.

So in fact the post is only partially factually correct.

I hung out with a palestinian girl for a couple of years. Nothing strange about a racist finding one racial group that they will support. Many who hate blacks, love asians.
David Duke doesn't think Arabs are his equal, he seems to support them because of his hate for Israel. His hate for Israel stems from the fact that he hates Jews. Other people like Jews and find themselves with a distaste for Israel. Can't lump everyone who doesn't like Israel in with David Duke.

Overlap with views on Gays / LGBT - too.

But broad brushing is not acceptable unless you like it done to you. In that case, enjoy.
The whole anti zionist = antisemitism meme IS NOT GOING TO WORK. I am no where near a zionist or an antisemite. I am against the whole Zionist enterprise as it stands today. It turned into a cruel nationalistic sport where Palestinians go treated like iniltrators in a land they never left, by eopke who just got back from a 2000 year hiatus. It looks like a right wing hate machine if you are not if the 'correct' culture. I've seen anti black racism from Zionists, calls of hatred and death to arabs from zionist. I am definately anti that. If Zionists have rallys saying go home nigg@r, and scream about ALL the land being theirs, i am anti zionist. To not be, would mean I accept being inferior. I cannot promote those people. Zionist and the Israeli right make Zionism look exactly like racism.

Not when its 100% true

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113494548

It's not even debatable.

the same charges, Sastry said that Zionist equated to Jew and the article title was extrapolated from that

non-Zionist are not anti-Semites…
Anti-Zionists are most definitely anti-semites...

Much of the anti Zionist sentiment here has to do with the Israeli right and the settlements. We liberated Europe from Nazis, we were not a party to the rampant antisemitism of Europe. Many American anti zionists are far from being Antisemites, that Germans judges ruling means nothing here.

....designed to give Jews (indigenous to Israel going back thousands of years) self-determination in their ancient homeland.

Anti-Zionism is the exact opposite of that. Against indigenous rights and calling for the destruction or total dissolution of Israel. Anyone pining for the destruction of any other country would surely be classified as a warmongering hater.

The anti-Zio prescription for I/P is that Jews should once again become a minority within a majority Arab country. History proves that's very dangerous for Jews as there are hardly any Jews left in any Arab nations; due to either being killed or ethnically cleansed. The situation for Christians in the mideast is dire. It would be 10x worse with Jews. This situation would actually be suicidal for Jews agreeing to such a notion. Being that Jews would never become suicidal or allow themselves to be genocided (been there, done that) the anti-Zio prescription for I/P would have to be imposed on the Jews. That won't happen w/o a fight, and for good reason.

Last, there's no anti-Zio movement in existence (other than Haredi Jews) that has been free of anti-semitism. In fact, they're all either extremely tolerant of it (which is scary enough) or they're all openly and proudly anti-semitic.

This thread and its many examples prove it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113417963

It is oppressing the other 'indigenous' people who have been there for a long time. Many centuries. I would not go to Africa and brutalize other blacks and take their land and call them terrorists. I judge by my standards as do many.

It's a nice tale, if it was just liberation of an oppressed people driven off from everywhere. But those people are driving people off THEIR land and building walls and bombing schools. Is that Zionism? Is Zionism a rightwing enterprise? It appears to be so. If that's Zionism, what I have seen in my sad little 33 years, then I am against what Zionism has become over the last 33 years. I don't care what it was before. What it looks like NOW is manifest destiny.

If you see legitimate Israeli self-defense as oppression against folks like Hamas, you couldn't be more wrong.

Israel is not driving people off their land. If u think they are, provide examples please.

They build walls to protect against suicide bombers, for example. Years ago w/o a wall, LOTS of suicide bombing. Very, very bad. After wall, no more suicide bombings. Simple arithmetic, so you're wrong about that too.

Bombing schools? You mean the same schools Hamas uses to launch attacks against Israelis? That's all on Hamas. What Hamas is doing in schools is a war crime. What Israel does in defense is allowed by International Law.

Zionism isn't rightwing or left. But here's the rub. Anti-zionists really don't care whether Israel is right or left. If Israel had extremely liberal leadership, you'd still have the same problem with Israel. As it is, almost all of Israel's institutions lean leftwards. From universities to the court system to their media. Way more liberal than the USA.

Israel has gone rightwing. Look at the government and at who has the power and the settlement expansion. Rightwing.

....like 99%, are on state land belonging to no one. Jews have as much a right as Palestinians to be there. Jews living on Palestinian private property, while rare, is absolutely wrong and indefensible - totally unfair against private Palestinian owners.

The settlers are using violenc to intimidate the population. Good way to drive people away. Another good way is to burn their trees and assault their children. They seel the lahd to escape intimidation and another settlment pops up. Then more intimidation from new settlers who burn more trees.

....are very peaceful. The small percentage of vile nutters are not.

Are you aware of the many Palestinian attacks on Jewish settlers? Is that driving the settlers away? It's certainly intimidating them. Palestinians attacking settlers are doing far worse than vandalizing private property. If only they were vandalizing private property. The settlers would welcome those kinds of attacks over the far more frequent violent ones.

I wonder, do you view these particular Palestinians who attack settlers as victims?

Once you start hurting others, you become a villian. And the one with the firepower is not the victim to me. Killing innocents to get to one guy makes the person killing so many to get to one guy, the villian.

Once bomb start dropping on kids on the beach with no good explaination, no apology, just 'Blame Hamas for those kids we killed', how can anyone respect that and support their ideology. If thats Zionism, no thanks. Don't want to be a pert of that.

So a nation with more firepower than another, even if attacked by the other, cannot be the victim? Are you sure about that?

Can we agree that individuals attacked are certainly victims, even within the countries that have more firepower?

Killing innocents to get to one guy makes the person killing so many to get to one guy, the villian.

Israel has aborted many attacks when they felt the response would be disproportionate to the actual threat. This is an undeniable fact that can be easily verified. So Israel attacking innocents to get at 1 guy doesn't appear to me to be Israel's policy. Where am I wrong?

That was the thing that hurt me the most this summer. I saw no apology. Just denials of responsibility.

Of course no apology. Just blaming mysterious terrorists in the area. Lies.

You'd never see any nation within NATO doing an immediate investigation during an ongoing war in order to prevent future (very bad) situations that would result in the death of innocents. It's unheard of, actually.

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You missed this BTW.

Callous, cold, and heart breaking. He calls children killed by IDF strikes, 'photogenic dead'. He advicates war with Iran and wants us to bomb them. That is bloodthirsy and warmongering.

No leftwing leader of Israel would refuse to defend the country's civilians. If such a leader refused, as you seemingly want, he/she would be out of office the next day. The problem is you're against any act of self-defense by Israel.

Again you ignored this...

They had nowhere to go. They are locked in by an occupation. By Israel. Who tells the people who cannot leave to leave or die. It's not like he evacuated the civilians, since he controls the borders and waters. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place, while Israelis watch the bombs fall on them from hilltops while having a good time watching the death of Gaza. It seems like many supported the war in Israel and there were hilltop watchers the whole time, laughing at the death of Arabs in Gaza. Sad.
Thats where you are wrong. Telling someone who has no where to go, to leave before you bomb them, does not absolve of responsibility for the deaths of civilians. I suppose Israel expected them to jump into the sea and drown? Get fired on by Israeli war ships? Storm the border? Climb the 'security' walls?

Israel targeted small areas no bigger than an a few blocks in a neighborhood. So long as Gazans got out of that small area, they were fine. Hamas actually prevented them from leaving. They faced certain death from Hamas as collaborators if they left. They had a better chance of living by staying due to Hamas certainly killing them had they left.

Where do you see hilltop Israelis laughing and rooting for the deaths of innocents? You're ascribing the absolute worst intentions to them w/o any proof. There were also Israelis staying outside watching Hamas' rockets flying over them - in order to capture a few camera shots of Iron Dome intercepting them. I have as much proof of them laughing that off as you do of them laughing at Gazan innocents getting killed.

The survive a bombing at home, just to die in a hospital or UN shelter. From IDF bombs on hospitals and schools. If Israel knew Hamas was holding all of those civilians there, they should not have bombed. Period. Bombing the hostages anyway? Scary as fuck. Killing a hundred hostages to get to one guy? Mindnumbingly brutal.

I saw videos of Israeli children writing death messages to Arab children on bombs, here on DU, this summer. I also saw Israelis on lawnchairs watching the bombings with glee. I saw cheering.

...their efforts to get Hamas, which is their #1 objective. You know there are a lot of leftists in the IDF? You think they're all for some policy that calls for the killing of innocents? If such a disgusting policy existed, that would be all over Israeli newspapers. You're not just ascribing the worst of intentions to rightwingers but also Israel's liberals and leftwingers. They must look all the same to you, all being evil fuckers just following orders.

Did you know that IDF soldiers have the right to REFUSE an order that is immoral?

I want quotes of any of them stating that they loved seeing innocents being killed by the IDF.

That's what you're asserting, right?

Can you? You seem to be the one justifying killing civilians by saying other people kill too. So what? The most moral army kills more civilians than HAMAS the terrorists. Ok. I'm not comforted and neither are the survivors.
They were cheering. They had to know that not only Hamas was in the buildings since it was all over th TV. Yet they went everyday and cheered.
IDF imbedd itself in the population. So do american soldiers. They live off base, among the people. Should it be okay to bomb Tel Aviv since there are IDF living there? Is it a war crime for Israeli soldiers to mix in among the civilians, or only when Hamas does it? And why should the civilians suffer? And whh should I care if you buy my sctick or whatever the fuck? I'm just me. There are more like me everyday. Israel is becomming a partisan issue, and you can thank Israel for that.

When you don't give a rip about that, you show me you don't care about innocent Palestinians being used and abused by Hamas.

Israel has the right, according to International Law, to get Hamas so long as the attack isn't disproportionate against civilians. They follow the Law. You must think International Law is evil.

By embedding themselves within the civilian population, I'm talking about legit military targets. I'm talking about Hamas deliberately firing away from these locations, daring the IDF to attack.

You know what I think is evil?

Not allowing Israel to defend its own children against Hamas terror. You prefer dead Israeli children over Israel trying to take out Hamas. What other way is there to see it?

But it is fact that Israel had used Palestinian children as human sheilds in the past and fought in Israeli courts to be allowed to continue the practice. Hypocritical to me.

The attcks did, in fact, dispropotionately kill civilians. I prefer all children to live, and their killers, if they die, to go to jail. I prefer grown soldiers to not kill babies.

We're talking about Hamas here. It's difficult finding an organization more evil than Hamas. They have no problem whatsoever putting civilian lives in danger. Denying their war crimes may as well be defense & tacit support of those war crimes, especially given the mountain of evidence proving they use human shields and commit multiple war crimes against their own people - especially children.

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1. They use child militants, which is a war crime.

Here's an Israeli article:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113494160

And here you'll find WAPO and BBC acknowledgement of this war crime:
http://bbcwatch.org/2015/02/05/is-a-bbc-documentary-about-hamas-child-soldiers-upcoming/

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2. Hamas admitted 160 children died digging tunnels under Gaza:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=14138051

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3. They not only brag (see the 1st video below) about using human shields on video, they also admit very openly (see 2nd youtube) on video that they use civilians as human shields on video (see 3rd video below). Here's one report of many that they used schools and hospitals for human shielding this past summer in Gaza. If that's not enough evidence, there were reporters tweeting that Hamas used human shields this past summer. The reason you don't read much about this - the reason most of this is usually censored - is because Hamas threatens journalists who expose their war crimes. Here's news video out of India - seriously, India - from this past summer showing Hamas using human shields. You'll find tweets from Indian reports at that same link explaining why they exposed Hamas via video due to Hamas threatening death to reporters exposing them.

It's done to deflct from the crimes of your friends for which people were ACTUALLY convicted, and given a slap on the wrist. I suppose Hamas should suffer an equivilent punishment to the Israeli soldiers that were convicted. How much time did they get for the crime? A couple of months in jail, probably suspended and summary probation. They certainly did not get the death penalty. They got basically no punishment. So why should Arabs be punished more harshly than the criminals in the IDF? Why is it only a GREAT CRIME OF SERIOUS MAGNITUDE, when the criminal is Arab? Are you going to call for stiffer penalties for IDF caught doing that? They are still accused of the very same thing.
So, stop with all the Human Shield shit until u can prove Israel innocent of that crime. Because ISRAEL ADMITTED IT!! I won't talk about human shirlds until you understand that if its wrong for hamas its wrong for idf.

Okay. Your videos did not render properly. No.


Israel is worried about the 160 children died in the tunnels but cares less about the thousand they killed. Dead is dead, and Israel is winning the children killing war. It makes you look oblivious when you scream about 160 but cannot even feel sad about the thousand.

Are we back to pretending that Israel is the only folks who care about Palestinians? Stop playing! Too funny!! Israel hates palestinians. Everybody knows it. Its not like theyre nice to them.

Call me all the names you want. I won't return the favor no matter how much you try to be as insulting as possible and make nasty accusations. It only reflects back on you and your cause.

....in order to lure terrorists out (in order to be arrested) rather than have the IDF going to that apartment, thereby risking a gunfight. The civilian sent in was already known by the terrorist (maybe a friend) so that the terrorist trusted the person by going outside right into the hands of the IDF. Thankfully, this method resulted in no bloodshed.

But Israel finally made the right call by making that illegal. They admitted to it. I admit to it. It was wrong and it's nothing to be proud about.

I fixed my last post and pasted the 3 videos into it. You can watch all 3 now and see for yourself.

So now what do u think about folks who deny Hamas' war crimes against their own kids or grownups? Isn't it puzzling that practically all so-called "pro" Palestinian organizations deny & therefore defend/support this evil? Why do u think they do that?

None.

I said it has not been proved that they commited this crime. Maybe the ICC can handle charging both sides. I'm fine with that. You are the one who has a problem with equal punishment for equal crimes. You want them despised more and punished harder for the same crimes. I'm pointing it out as hypocrisy. If you want them punished harsher, you will have to explain why its worse when Hamas does the exact same thing that th IDF did, and prove that they did. And get people to Agree that it's worse when they do the very same thing. And magic away our briains.

Funny how all the Israel supporters gloss over the crimes of the nation of Israel against palestinians and never understand why they are losing support. You accuse people of being Hamas supporters, even though it is the furthest thing from the truth. You try to keep people on defense, but nobody plays along anymore. Call us Jew haters if we say, ' Don't bomb babies!'. Saying that to you gets a response of something like 'You don't care if Jewish babies die!' Wtf?? I have to specify by race which babies I want not to die? How about none of them? I did not see Hamas kill any Jewsish babies in the last war, so calling for tgem to stop doing something they were not doing would be pointless. I called for the IDF to stop killing babies. I dont give two shits if you want to blame punk ass Hamas for the deaths if th babies IDF killed. It sounds stupid. Nobody buys the idea that Hamas mind controlled Israel into bombing shelters, hospitals, cafes, beaches, schools, and large apartment homes. It sound like the person saying shit like that thinks everyone else is stupid and ready to buy that bullshit. As long as Israel supporters defend the killing of children by saying ' Hamas made us do it!' People are going to be skeptical. As hell. Hamas is weak. Israel is strong. It sounds stupid.

I thought U care so much for Palestinians, especially the children? But you'll reserve your condemnation of Hamas' obvious war crimes against the children of Gaza because.........you don't like Israel? This is why you ignore Hamas making children into militants? This is why you don't care about Hamas killing 160 children who were forced to dig tunnels?

To top it off, you DENY their war crimes. How can you sit there and say there's no proof, given the video evidence, news reports, tweets from Journalists all showing Hamas is definitely doing it?

What other way is there to understand your denial of Hamas' vile, evil acts against the children of Gaza.....other than to see it as defending/supporting Hamas - which you say you don't?

Or do we do it like America does with Black getting harsher punishments because 'they're born violent'? Cause that's what i just read.

You're ignoring intent.

When a person intends to murder someone else, that's one thing. Book thrown at them, prison time, possible death penalty. When someone kills their attacker in self-defense, it's not the same crime at all. Said person is not thrown in prison or given the death penalty.

What's difficult about this?

I want the same punishment for human shields no matter who commits the crime. No racial preference. How about you? Seems to me you want to do some special pleading about how it was okay when Israel did it. Okay enough to warrant no punishment whatsoever. So. Same punishment for Hamas, then?

I'm talking about their responsibility for the deaths of pretty much all Gazans this past summer.

When they're not called out on it and held accountable, they will be sure to keep doing more of the same, hoping to be even more successful with their vile strategy to put Israel in the position of whether or not to defend its own citizens by not attacking Hamas targets embedded deliberately among civilians.

OTOH, what Israel did resulted in no deaths. They thought, and they were actually right, that it was a safe alternative in apprehending terrorists. Still wrong in retrospect and correctly outlawed by Israeli Law.

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For about the 3rd or 4th time now: Are you still denying Hamas' human shields?

The ones who drop the bombs. Hamas did not control the UN shelters or the IDF. The IDF is responsible for the people killed by IDF violence.

...to defend itself while putting the responsibility of deaths onto those cynically using human shields.

So long as Israel's attacks against Hamas targets don't disproportionately kill too many civilians, their response against those targets is legit by International Law. The enemy isn't exempt or rewarded from being attacked due to their illegal activity among civilians. The blame is rightly placed on them (Hamas).

Making mistakes is also not a war crime. It happens in all wars since the beginning of recorded history and not even the best nations in combat can avoid them. You believe the IDF should always be perfect and somehow never make mistakes in battle. Any "mistake" is obviously bullshit and therefore a deliberate war crime in your opinion.

As to the UN shelter hit, the IDF used video that led them to believe no civilians were in the area being targeted (due to rocket launchers). Can you understand mistakes can be made due to faulty intelligence during the fog of war? There was a debate as to whether it was an IDF mortar or one of Hamas' rockets that blew up at the UN facility. It's also well known that a significant percentage of Hamas rockets fall into Gaza. Finally, it's a fact Hamas used UN facilities not only to attack Israel and shield themselves from being attacked by the IDF....but Hamas also stored weapons in UN facilities & they were caught something like 3 times during the war for doing that.

It's not as cut-and-dried as you make it out to be.

Since none of the deaths are Israels fault. There were too many people in the buildings for it to be mistakes everytime. You speak of one shelter. There were hospitals fillled with wounded bombed. People outside killed. Schools bombed. Cafe's bombed.
If i'm at a cafe and it's bombed, how is it my fault for not knowing Hamas was walking by? Collective punshment is a crime.
That's why the IDF is at fault. It was ALL collective punishment. Bombing the civilians to terrorize them for voting in Hamas a decade ago. I heard it over and over that if they had not democratically voted for Hamas, and would track Hamas down like a bunch of Navy Seals, then Israel would not bomb them. Collective punishment. I think that's all you need to know.

....human shielding.

Same reason all anti-Zios and BDS'ers do it. You know that if you ever acknowledge proof of Hamas' shielding, that takes nearly all blame off the IDF according to IHL, which you're conveniently ignoring for the purpose of bashing the Jewish state.

Since you won't have any blame taken away from the IDF, you deny Hamas' human shield strategy altogether, even at the expense of Palestinian lives you purport to care about. And yeah, that support for Palestinians is complete bullshit. You believe Hamas has ZERO to do with the deaths of Palestinians this past summer in Gaza. 0% Hamas blame. 100% Israel blame. Hamas = Victims while Israel = Oppressors. It cannot be any other way except for that, ever. It's why reality is turned on its head by anti-Zios.

Defaming Israel or the IDF as an evil entity - arousing incitement against Jews - has always been imperative #1. SOP for Israel and "Zionist" bashers. It's been effective as antisemitic attacks are going back to pre-WW2 levels worldwide. This has always been the goal of anti-Zionists. They're ecstatic that their efforts to incite hatred is paying off.

Defaming and inciting hatred is the main reason all crimes against Palestinians are ignored....when Israel cannot be blamed. All crimes - always - against Palestinians must be seen as being the fault of Israel, even when Israel can't be faulted. To fault anyone else for Palestinian suffering is seen as doing Israeli hasbara beneficial to the Zionist cause. To criticize Hamas is seen as being against the Palestinian cause altogether. That's why all criticism of Hamas is shielded under the cover of being racist. You equate Hamas to all Palestinians suffering under their cruel barbarity. That way, Hamas can never be called out for anything.

Anti-Zionists do their utmost to defend or minimize ALL Hamas war crimes committed against Palestinians they claim to care about. This isn't just my opinion. I keep hearing anti-Zios don't support Hamas. They absolutely do, in order to stay on the offensive against Israel.

The accusations of shielding came the first day, with no evidence.
I don't know why you harass me about Hamas. I'm not Hamas. I'm not even religious. Can't stand rightwingers, you know, like Hamas and Likud. I see them the same.

All you do is accuse people of supporting Hamas. Maybe you should not do that if what you want is to make friends for Israel. It's off putting and the accusations are endless.

Are you incapable of thinking for yourself? Believing what your eyes and ears are telling you?

Your accusations of me being a Hamas supporter are ignorant and unwarranted. They way you speak to me makes me less likely to support Israel. Calling me names and accusing me of ties or sympathy to Hamas is like accusing me of a crime. You cannot shane peopke into supporting your cause by saying they want jew babies dead, or tht not supporting Zionism means i hate jews and support blowing them up. You are being a bully. I have seen lots of bully type behaivior from yu and the rest of those on your side in the past couple of years.

When you are ready to chat with me without all those false accusations, we can speak then. Bye for now.

....how I'm wrong?

As I see it, the bullies are the assholes who can't stop bashing Israel and inciting hate and violence against Jews worldwide. They bash Israel's every response to terror against its citizens & seem to not give a flying fuck about the Jews' right to live in peace in Israel, free from terror & the kind of hate that wants all Jews worldwide dead.

And saying they support Hamas over and over and over and over. Lord, please just cut it out. We can't have a decent convo if all you do is make accusations.

I don't like Israel and as far as I can see they don't like people like me. I feel no draw to Israel. Why should I care if the place is called Israel or something else or who lives there as long as one group is not actively oppressing the other, and doing it with our support. I have no reason to. I do not care about maintaining the Jewish identity of Israel. Why should I? Does Israel care about african americans? Or do they seem to hate africans? As a black, why should I invest myself in Jewish supremacy in Israel? Didn't Israel just deport a bunch of Africans? But I'm the racist for not supporting tht nation that seems to be racist against me? Fine. Call me what you will, but I do not fight for the right of Supremacy of one race over another. If you think thats racist look in ya mirror.

Why should I support people who scream epithets in Tel Aviv at blacks to go home Nigg@r? People tied to the right wing? People who think they are owed my support, while attacking my character?

The majority of Jews worldwide disagree with Bibi & they're not antisemitic.

Try again?

no meed to try again , how can one refuse to attend the speech the leader of the nation founded on Zionism and still be a Zionist, no matter whether or not you agree with him, after all Nancy Pelosi says she will attend, does that mean she supports Netanyahu?

He defends both Jews and the state of Israel against anti-Zionists who he believes are antisemites.

Do your own homework on him and you'll see.

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I'm pretty sure Meretz would skip Bibi's speech as well, despite the fact Meretz is a declared Zionist political party.

They're not anti-Zios or antisemites.


Try again?

but you are the one who claimed he's a proclaimed Zionist so prove it, please and yes I am aware of John Lewis's record on Israel

why do feel it's up to me to prove your claims?

the rest the same hear say claims made about what MLK supposedly said -note this claim was only after he was assassinated and it must have been made in a private conversation

He would never ever claim to be an antiZionist because then he would be proclaiming to be an antisemite and he's not.

But I'm sure that won't phase you in the least.

....both stating the obvious.

That anti-zionism = antisemitism.

They knew over 40 years ago that Jew haters masquerade as anti-zionists to cover their hatred.

But Anti Zionists , who are antisemites.

Ask the prime minister of France ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=94608

Maybe such people shouldn't be posting on progressive websites and also should be very careful if traveling to Germany or France .

(Maybe a new harassment should be leveled against Antizionists when they travel to such places as what happens to some traveling Israelis ? - good idea)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113494548

Free speech and all. It is bing debated right now. Here. In America.

Skin heads/ neo Nazis - KKK are antisemite and Antizionists are antisemites both are non debatables.

In the USA your free to be either.

There are people who are not from those groups who are anti zionist. And anti manifest destiny and anti a bunch of shit. Its a broad brush to say that its that way all the time. those groups care not about zionism. It is a cover and a crutch for antisemitism. They hate women too. And gays. And hispanics. And catholics. And everybody. Themselves.

while demanding that only one point of view is acceptable on racism in America.

I see no reason for African Americans to be Zionists. With the way Israel treats Africans, I will not be pro THAT. If I say something about Israeli anti African racism It gets shrugged off like it is no big deal, even though it's worse for black people than here. Zionists seem to not care about racism that is not affecting certain people. I was really depressed to see that Israel was tricking African Women into taking birth control shots, causing some women infertility and the birth rate has dropped 50%. I was also sad to see GO HOME NIGG@R rallys in the streets of Tel Aviv, attended by members of the knesset and the PM saying that he was going to get rid of the africans who upset the balance in Israel.
I have never gotten an answer as to why, with all of that being shrugged off as not important, I should be a Zionist. Those were Zionist rallys. Nobody has explained why that is okay, and why I should defend those people. Zionists do not seem pro black to me. They seem to hate me for my color. So why is it antisemetic to be against those people who hate blacks?

I can bet money that you'll shrug it off too.

The PM of France :-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=94623


That's fact .

I accuse nobody.

But it's a good thing to remember.

and oh Valls did not say antiZionism is antiSemitism to make such a statement can be broadbrush bigotry in and of itself IMO, so unless you're accusing antiZionists on this board of physically attacking Jewish people and or their property I would say such a remark is rather off base

This is fact.

Fact : antizionism is antisemitism

I'm not sure who your thinking you are demanding I apologize LOL , that's hilarious, especially coming from you.



French PM Valls:'Anti-Zionism is cover up for AntiSemitism


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=94608

It's not even acceptable as a debate.

It's all Bigotry ... It's ALL bigotry.

Jew have lived in Israel, Judea and Samaria CONTINUOUSLY for thousands of years. They never left.

Palestinian nationalism has been around for a hundred years or so.

The rest of your post is typical broad brush generalizations, should I judge you by what that piece of shit Farrakhan says?

And many European Jews did in fact emigrate there. No lies. History books. I am not a part of Farrakhan's group. I am an atheist. If you did that it would be only based off of my color, not because I subscribe to his ideology. If you call yourself by a label, you get lumped in if you do so willingly. If I say I'm nation of Islam, from his group, then sure, it would be permissible.
Some people are Zionist. Some people are not. Calling anyone an antisemite just because they don't subscribe to Zionist ideology is a problem. There were people who wanted a homeland for African americans in somebody elses land, just because our ancestors came from there. I think they call it Liberia. I am not going.

I'd say they're the majority.

How many actual BDSers do you know? Every one that I know is on the Left. I know actual Conservatives. None of them supports BDS. Where do you think the hot beds of the BDS movement are? In academia and student organizations and labor unions. You really think that most of them are Rightwingers?

....and that's pretty much the entire BDS movement, supports an organization that couldn't possibly be more Rightwing. ISIS may be among the very few organizations worldwide that's even more rightwing than Hamas. If ISIS is a 10 on a scale of 1-10 rightwingery, Hamas is like a 9.93.

If we're talking anti-zionists, almost the entire middle east (outside of Israel) is anti-zionist and nearly all of them are Rightwing by western standards. All rightwing antisemites happen to be anti-zionist as well.

virtually all BDSers are on the Left. They may support Hamas, but that's only because they share the goal of destroying the Jewish state. There aren't very many Western BDS supporters who are on board with the rest of the Hamas program.

...within BDS. I'm pretty sure leftwingers within BDS do not give a shit whether the most vile rightwing activists are among them. I think they'd agree to any and every person they can get to join them for BDS.

I agree that the vast majority of BDS'ers in the west are Leftists.

As to being on board with the Hamas program, I don't know of any BDS'ers who would say one word about Hamas' obscene abuse of gays, women, children, and christians.

is that the nations that preach the loudest about the plight of the Palestinian territories are the same ones who pledge large amounts of aid money and then fail to deliver. They don't really care about the Palestinians - they just don't like Jews. Palestinians are the pawns of those hypocrites.

Their leader for example Greta Berlin doesn't care about the injustice of the occupation... She is just obsessed with Jews .

I looked her up and read this quote from her: "Zionists operated the concentration camps and helped murder millions of innocent Jews"

She's no better than a skinhead.

The flotillas to Gaza were high points celebrated by all anti-Zionists.

Now they pretend they don't know her at all.

Worse, you might be lucky to find 10% of anti-Zio bds-holes acknowledging she's a Jew hating POS. Probably more like 1-2% at most. Says everything, doesn't it?

She seems to envision herself as some sort of admiral. At best, she's an egomaniac, but I would venture to think the worst and say that she's a psychopath.

You know what that sounds like, right?

Tell me this:

What atrocity turned out being the last straw for you?