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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 01:23 AM Mar 2015

Netanyahu’s speech and the American Jewish condition

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahus-speech-israel

It is my belief that much of the Jewish establishment’s view of the world is a trauma-induced delusion. Because we don’t need to be hidden. Others do, including many Palestinians from Jews. The actual Jewish condition in Israel is: they are occupiers. The abused has become the abuser, as the recovery movement explains. But still: the fear is there.
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The lobby’s power is waning because the post-traumatic period is coming to an end and Jews are no longer monolithic on Israel. Ideas of Jewish nationalism and separation are as discredited by the Israeli experiment as Communism was by the Soviet one. Young Jews are bridling, David Remnick is bridling, Benjamin Wittes is bridling. David Rothkopf is bridling. We are going to see a jailbreak from the idea of the necessity of a Jewish state inside the establishment, and Netanyahu has fostered that, god bless him.

Who are we and what is our role in the world in 2015? We were a ghettoized elite in western societies, subject to the worst forms of persecution in Europe. Now out of trauma we are licensing some of the most glaring forms of persecution in the the world.

Norman Finkelstein’s mother, who survived the Nazi concentration camps, told him that the lesson of the Holocaust was that this should happen to no people. Her experience was a human experience, and its lessons must be extended to all humans. And today there is only one test of Jewish social and political values: Where do you stand on Palestinian human rights? The Palestinians are the people whom our collective helped to dispossess, slaughter and put behind checkpoints out of an inevitable but in the end self-involved concern with our own history. We victimized them because of our own victimization, and the test of our future is when we come to recognize this responsibility and how we act on it. Many Jews will rise to that challenge. Just wait and see.


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Netanyahu’s speech and the American Jewish condition (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 OP
This is where my hope lies GitRDun Mar 2015 #1
a deeply flawed article that could have been a decent one. cali Mar 2015 #2
Yes I agree, King_David Mar 2015 #3

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
1. This is where my hope lies
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:37 AM
Mar 2015

We victimized them because of our own victimization, and the test of our future is when we come to recognize this responsibility and how we act on it. Many Jews will rise to that challenge. Just wait and see.


A people can change their path.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. a deeply flawed article that could have been a decent one.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:29 AM
Mar 2015

it's full of too many generalizations, and assumptions rooted in those generalizations. What (or who), for instance is the American Jewish Establishment?

His brushing off of anti-semitism as meaningless and virtually non-existent is as repugnant as people who brush off racism or anti-Muslim bigotry as nothing or in the past.

This paragraph from the article is simply malevolent and disgusting- as well as repeating old canards. Jaysus:

Every Jew of my and my parents’ generation is aware of our incredible advance into the establishment and is embarrassed about it or will tell you that it doesn’t matter or that America is all about the rich anyway and there are tons of other rich people, religion has nothing to do with it. I think they are all rationalizing the fact of our power because it is extremely uncomfortable for us. We know that our societies are broad ones, and that the rise of Jewish professions in eastern European cities played a part in the rise of anti-Semitism. Explaining why we must leave Europe, Theodor Herzl said that Jews were the “intellectual proletariat,” hanging around the stock markets and stirring resentment, and he held up a map of Vienna showing the extent of Jewish real estate holdings.

This article, upon closer perusal is so ugly and poor, I'm sorry to see it posted here- and Daneel, you know when it comes to I/P, my sentiments rest with the Palestinians and against the Israeli occupation and oppression. Having said that, this is about as shit stained a piece on it as I've seen posted here. I could go on and on about it, but if you find worth in it- and it seems you clearly do- what's the point?

I want to add that he absolutely justifies anti-semitism both past and present because, to simplify his argument, Jews are powerful. Ugh.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. Yes I agree,
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:15 AM
Mar 2015

He should of stuck to criticizing Netanyahu and his ugly opportunism and offensive address to congress.
But delved into minimizing antisemitism .
It does give one a lot of insight into Weiss.

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