An important step forward into the broader community of nations. And one I wish the US would take.

If Palestine can do it, then we can do it, too!

Now that it has achieved the political prestige of joining the ICC, it should withdraw from that worthless institution and seriously work toward practical political solutions.

After all, anyone who knows how to use a search feature knows what a wonderful friend and proponent of th Palestinian cause you have been, aranthus

To Aranthus... NOT !

LOL

But yes, it was relevant. I wasn't aiming for "clever' because you guys really aren't fucking worth it.

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Took you a couple hours to come up with that, huh Dave?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=98561

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King David was snippy to Scootaloo but I do not think Aranthus deserved that kind of a disgusting base insult toward a fellow DUr

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I would have voted to LEAVE IT ALONE as well. Same for Scootaloo's original post. I appreciate the comments of the alerter, but I wasn't offended by Scootaloo's post. I simply took it for an admission that he had no viable argument.

Not only is it a remarkable admission that you don't have a viable argument against my position, but it also points people to my prior posts, which although they show that I am not a proponent of the Palestinian cause, also prove that I am in favor of a just solution to the conflict by way of the creation of a Palestinian state. Posts such as this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/113463514#post3

"I believe that both Jews and Palestinians have a claim to the entirety of the Holy Land. Neither has an exclusive right to all or any part of it. The Jewish claim is stronger, but not exclusive. And since they are two different peoples who are each entitled to a state in the region, then some compromise has to be worked out so that each has a place to exercise their national aspirations."

Or this one responding to you directly:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=51180

"Let's be clear. There are two halves to this war. The Palestinian half is that they started it and continue to maintain the war because they don't want a Jewish state. The Israeli half is that Israel occupies or blockades land in the West Bank and Gaza that the Palestinians live on and have a legitimate right to statehood on. You are right that there won't be peace until the Israelis withdraw from the West Bank and let go the strangle hold on Gaza. But you are in total denial when you think that that alone will bring peace. Your denial of any legitimacy at all to Israel perceptions and positions is a fatal weakness in your argument."

So if by the "Palestinian Cause" you mean the demand for full right of return etc., that would mean the end of the Jewish state, then you're right. I don't support the Palestinian cause. But at least be honest and clear about what each of us supports. And of course, if you support the maximalist Palestinian position, then you need to explain your biased and one sided understanding of justice that ignores any rights of the Jewish people.

Your whole position seems to hinge on the notion that Arabs have a lesser claim, and thus lesser position to Jews. That any "just" solution would by necessity leave them in a permanently subordinate position, having made concession after concession to the ethnic group you feel is superior. Anything else you will regard as "unjust."

You also make the common mistake of zionists and antisemites of equating the state of Israel with "The Jewish People." it's not. It's a state with a Jewish majority, but it is not "The Jewish people." It's a state that achieved that majority through ethnic cleansing. it keeps that majority by denying rights to the refugees it created. It maintains its populace by conquest and confiscation of resources from the remnants of those who were so cleansed.

"Justice" is not enshrining this situation in graven stone. You seem to hold that not only is that "justice," but that it needs to be so set for the "rights of the Jewish people." As if the only way Jews can have rights is to deny rights to someone else.

"Justice" is correcting the problem and restitution to those who have been wronged. And no, the party doing the wronging does not get to say what is and is not restitution, for obvious reasons (well, obvious reasons to someone who doesn't think the violator is a superior being to the violated, at least.)

And that's the crux of the problem. One simply cannot "support Israel" and understand the concept of justice. becuase support for israel is predicated on an innately and entirely unjust ideal - racial supremacy.

to the point the US has made clear to the world they have not been an honest broker
in the negotiations.

when they investigate the war crimes that they have committed...

I foresee a permanent investigation of Israel occurring exclusively and ongoing ....just like the UNHRC...

OTOH, Palestine appears to be welcoming a level playing field and and international forum of grievances,
not to mention the ever expanding "settlements".

Which government ?

Gaza ? West Bank?

That's why there will ultimately be a 3 state solution.

it's the internationally-recognized speaker for the Palestinians in international affairs.

Basic shit, man.

And it's acceptable?

Got it ...

That's why its called the 3 state solution.

it's very strange behavior.

of course, if they do, they acknowledge the jurisdiction of the ICC.

But that's a tiny fraction of the Palestinian population. And do you really care what war criminals regret or don't regret?

Check out Mosby's latest OP for a good explanation... (division in PA)

Mahmoud Al-Habbash, the religious advisor of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas called on Friday for the Saudi-led alliance, which is attacking Houthi militias in Yemen, to attack the Gaza Strip, the official PA news agency Wafa has reported.

"The Arab nation has to attack any illegal side in the Arab region with an iron hand," he said during his Friday sermon in Ramallah. "It has to start from Palestine." He insisted that the protection of legitimacy in any Arab country is the duty of all the Arab leaders. "They have to initiate attacks against outlawed people anyhow and regardless of time and place, starting from Palestine."

He insisted that what happened in Gaza when Hamas took full security control of the territory in 2007, was "a coup" and must be dealt with decisively. "People who carry out coups, must be attacked with an iron hand," he said.

In response, senior Hamas official Mahmoud Al-Zahar wrote on his Facebook page that everyone who had hoped for the Israelis to defeat Hamas is now calling for the Arabs to do it. "This, he scoffed, "is the worst kind of tyranny."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/17758-abbas-aide-calls-for-decisive-storm-against-gaza

The irony of levying this plea towards, among others, Egypt is laughable.

For crying out loud, Sisi the murderer and heartthrob:

Sisi the movie: Hollywood director for biopic of president
#EgyptTurmoil

Tape reveals Egyptian president's office in talks for Ridley Scott film of Sisi's life, looking for major stars
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sisi-seeks-hollywood-director-epic-makeover-leak-309784561

A very sensible admission on your part.

That the only argument people like you seem able to make against this move is "but the ICC might investigate Palestine, too!"

I just find it strange that you seem to be worried about such a thing.

If ICC wants to investigate completely, then they have to get the facts from both sides, and decide who's in the wrong.

Who do you suppose would do that?

might give the ICC some additional facts that the PLO might try to hide....

It's just a guess....

The allegations against Israel are very serious, and they must be investigated by an independent party. If Israel did nothing wrong in Gaza, the truth will be known.

But seriously, Maan News? I perceive that they are somewhat biased.