Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumAs Nuclear Talks Near A Deal, Israel Threatens To Bomb Iran
Israels intelligence minister reiterated on Thursday that Israel will consider military action against Iran should it feel that the countrys nuclear program threatens the Jewish state.
Speaking to a radio station as the United States, Iran, and its international partners appear to have agreed to a broad framework of understanding for how to contain Tehrans nuclear capabilities, Yuval Steinitz stressed that if we have no choice we have no choice
the military option is on the table. The Israeli government has sought to actively undermine the 18-month-long diplomatic talks, now in their final stage, arguing that Tehran cannot be trusted to abide by any international accord that does not force Iran to give up all nuclear capabilities, and has maintained that the ongoing negotiations will pave the way for Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon.
Steinitz also justified Israels intentions to act alone, if necessary, to neutralize what the government sees as a threat from Tehran. The intelligence chief pointed out that Israel has unilaterally bombed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981. This operation was not carried out in agreement with the United States, he said.
But American and Israeli military leaders warn that any strike against Iran would only set Iran back two or three years and could gravely destabilize the region. As former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who served under presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, predicted, such action would bring together a divided nation, it will make them absolutely committed to obtaining nuclear weapons. The Bush administration also considered military intervention in Iran but decided against it after concluding that bombing would guarantee that which we are trying to prevent an Iran that will spare nothing to build a nuclear weapon and that would build it in secret and would likely require military occupation.
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/04/02/3642106/nuclear-talks-near-deal-israel-threatens-bomb-iran/
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)US troops have never and will never be asked to do this.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Is that true for Afghanistan and Viet Nam too ?
I guess you can't say the same for World war 1 and 2 as there was no Israel around then.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Especially on a site like this.
King_David
(14,851 posts)who would of thought on DU ?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Iraq war. Republicans were already hot to trot, but Israel and AIPAC helped by pressuring Democrats to sign on.
The current Israeli government is worse than Dick Cheney when it comes to warmongering.
Ageless Democrat
(80 posts)I'll wait quietly for a link - which I know I won't get because they don't back up their 'facts'.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Novice treads fractured edges
Deep plunge with pizza
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)That's a cool name, just off the top of my head. Ageless democrat sounds like one of those random word associations that Microsoft suggest for you when signing up for a hotmail account. I'm sorry, dirk Donger has already been taken, would you like "ageless democrat" instead?
I miss those twee faux-ethnic one post accounts you used to see around here, Mao Shung and Carlos Sanchez and whatnot. They should bring those back.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Since today is Good Friday, and is there ever a Friday that isn't, I was thinking of a religious-based snack cracker.
Its name would be 'SnackReligious.'
The flavours could be...
Catholic Crunch (or Christian Crunch for wider audiences)
Torah Toffee
Muslim Munch
Mahatma Candy (It's Enlightening)
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Not sure that slogan could work outside Australia.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Times of Israel, 25 Feb 2015: Kerry accuses Netanyahu of cheerleading 2003 Iraq war
(snip, 3rd paragraph)
The prime minister was profoundly forward-leaning and outspoken about the importance of invading Iraq, Kerry told the House Foreign Affairs Committee, in an apparent attempt to delegitimatize Netanyahus evaluation of the threat posed by the Iranian nuclear program. (end snip)
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-accuses-netanyahu-of-cheerleading-2003-iraq-war/
Here's the Wikipedia article hinting at Israeli and AIPAC lobbying for the Iraq war:
(Under heading Goals, 4th paragraph)
Whether AIPAC lobbied for the war in Iraq is disputed. Congressman Jim Moran has stated that AIPAC had been "pushing the [Iraq War] from the beginning". However, according to the Jewish News, AIPAC never supported or lobbied for the war in Iraq. According to a columnist in the Washington Post, "Once it was clear that the Bush administration was determined to go to war [in Iraq], AIPAC cheered from the sidelines ...Some observers suggested the official silence owed to concerns that linking Israel to the war
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee
You don't have to thank me...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's from your own link.
It's funny - your post perfect illustrates people who see what they want to see and ignore the rest.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Read my post again. Follow the links. If you do, you will see that you are the one who only sees what you want and ignores the rest.
The fact is that Israel and AIPAC did lobby for war, and those that dispute that fact, are mostly people with a certain political disposition.
King_David
(14,851 posts)As Greece defaulting on their loan and Russia along with Uganda and Iran and Palestine and IS are among the most homophobic states in the world . And Australia's government thankfully is way down in the polls...
But none of that has anything to do with your ridiculous and obnoxious and borderline hateful claim , that Americans fought the Iraq war because Israel asked them to.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113498675#post9
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Israel and its die-hard supporters bear part of the blame for their role in dragging us into Iraq.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And now it's Israel and the Israelophiles in the US pounding on the war drums again, joining forces yet again with the Republicans.
King_David
(14,851 posts)To suggest so is repugnant.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)In the run-up to the 2nd Iraq War they put out piles of information about Iraq's chemical warfare capability and their intention to use those weapons. Saddam Hussein had a funkhole on the Syrian coast and all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true. In real life the only grip Saddam had on power was his side arm and the utterances of Baghdad Bob.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Tuvalu's the sole source of the claim that "iran is a week away from nuclear weapons!" for the last fifteen years, yes?
And of all the nations on earth, it's Estonia that has the most to gain from a US-led war on iran.
Why, everyone knows that it's really the Nepalese lobby angling for a constant barrage of hardline anti-iranian policies.
Meanwhile, it was the prime minister of Papua New Guinea who assured us that overthrowing iraq would make the Middle east a better place.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)All the threats are coming from Tel Aviv.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And if they choose to attack Iran, tell them they're on their own. We'll see if Russia is going to sit by and let Bibi get his way.
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)he was all for W's unilateral "preemptive war" so if he starts one, let him see how much it does for him.
Dick Dastardly
(937 posts)There are many articles out there here is one
Israel warned us against Iraq invasion, US official says
Chief of staff of former secretary of state reveals that large number of senior Israeli officials warned Bush administration that invasion of Iraq would be destabilizing to region. 'The Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy - Iran is the enemy,' he says
Clip
According to Wilkerson, different sources in Israel explained to senior US officials that "if you are going to destabilize the balance of power, do it against the main enemy." Wilkerson noted that the main point of their communications was not that the US should immediately attack Iran, but that "it should not be distracted by Iraq and Saddam Hussein" from a focus on the threat from Iran. The message was conveyed by a large number of senior Israeli officials to their American counterparts, including political figures and intelligence sources.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)if you read the article at the link, which looks like an iraeli paper first off, Bibi is not mentioned once. Ariel Sharon who was the PM at the time, a lesser war monger, was against attacking Iraq but fully in favor of attacking Iran at that time. Bibi has been an antagonistic war monger from the first time anyone listened to him.
I highly suspect that Bibi said nothing of the sort since any war is, in his mind apparently, a good war... especially if it's against a country that doesn't like how his country was created and foisted upon the region.
Mossad has been against a war with Iran for some time, but who listens to them when they aren't propping up the war machine?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)little Bantam rooster that struts about the yard crowing about how powerful he is, puffing up his chest, acting like he is the master of his domain - until a hawk flies over the yard, and he is the first to get to the roost, ahead of the hens.
I have no doubt he has some sort of trick to try to get someone embroiled in a war against Iran.
It's rather sad - during Bibi's leadership, the US is making negotiations with Iran, fighting along side Iran in Syria against ISIS, and our "best ally in the Middle East" is off spying on negotiations, attempting to incite Republicans in our government to derail negotiations and an asshole Republican Tom Cotton that got $900,000 from AIPAC wrote a letter to Iran warning them not to trust the POTUS.
And someone other than the most fervent of Israeli cheerleaders thinks that Bibi is an honest actor in ANYTHING?
Stop subsidizing Israeli cradle-to-grave health care while US citizens die in droves in our own country due to lack of health care. Stop the foreign aid. If the little Bantam rooster wants to crow, then he can put HIS neck on the line, instead of the necks of US soldiers and US taxpayers.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I do hope they come to their senses though.