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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:40 PM Apr 2015

Abbas: Ready to resume talks with Israel without preconditions

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Saturday that he was ready to resume peace negotiations with Israel without preconditions, in marked departure from comments made last month ruling out the possibility of negotiating a two-state solution while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in power.

In an interview with the pan-Arab media outlet al-Arab from Ramallah on Friday, Abbas expressed his support for a two-state solution: “I tell the Israeli people: our hands are outstretched to exist in two states. I hope that you do not cut down the outstretched hand of peace, because the alternative will be devastating for everyone.”

Abbas said that he had “no problem” returning to negotiations with Netanyahu as the representative of the Israeli people — without preconditions.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-ready-to-resume-talks-with-israel-without-preconditions/

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Abbas: Ready to resume talks with Israel without preconditions (Original Post) oberliner Apr 2015 OP
One of the preconditions he should have established Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #1
It could still happen, though unlikely. aranthus Apr 2015 #2
Right now, it's favoring Herzog every day. Bibi doesn't have very much time to get the coalition Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #3
He has plenty of time oberliner Apr 2015 #4
I'm putting them there - not all MKs agree with Likudniks Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #5
Kulanu is one of the five parties that recommended Likud oberliner Apr 2015 #6
the law of the land sabbat hunter Apr 2015 #13
Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state azurnoir Apr 2015 #7
The hasbara is straining so hard you would imagine R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #8
George HW Bush: Read my lips: no new taxes oberliner Apr 2015 #11
and he did not enact any new taxes he did however raise the old ones a bit azurnoir Apr 2015 #12
Exactly. I'm ammazed at how ober is flopping like a fish out of water. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #14
The poster you replied to is defending HW Bush Mosby Apr 2015 #16
Poor Mos. A factual reply is not defense or endorsement. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #18
I thought the text I bolded would be sufficient to explain why azur was wrong Mosby Apr 2015 #19
I feel very embarrassed for you. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #20
Parliamentary system is much different than the US system geek tragedy Apr 2015 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #17
Of course, it's always been Israel demanding preconditions. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #9
the PA needs access to its tax monies, which have yet to be released. n/t Little Tich Apr 2015 #10
 

Ageless Democrat

(80 posts)
1. One of the preconditions he should have established
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

that Abbas will talk with Herzog, not Bibi.

But if Abbas is ready to talk directly, that's good news.

Let's just hope Bibi push aside his views and listen to what Abbas want. If there are things that can be met, without having to release more prisoners from the Israeli side (you know they will be re-arrested soon) but focus on what they need - the imprisoned terrorists offers nothing.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
2. It could still happen, though unlikely.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:23 PM
Apr 2015

I haven't heard that Bibi has formed a government yet. If he can't, then Herzog will get the chance.

 

Ageless Democrat

(80 posts)
3. Right now, it's favoring Herzog every day. Bibi doesn't have very much time to get the coalition
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:29 PM
Apr 2015

established.

Election was on March 17th. He has until the end of this month to make it happen.

So far, it's not promising. He still has the Kulanu and Yesh Atid problem. the MK's there are not willing to join, and Bibi might find himself short.

Herzog has already achieved the magic number with his Zionist Camp, Kulanu and Yesh Atid along with the non-participation of the Arab Joint List.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. He has plenty of time
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:37 PM
Apr 2015

The deadline is very flexible. The Israeli president will extend it another two weeks if need be.

There is no chance that Herzog will be asked to form the government.

Kulanu has already recommended Likud so I am not sure why you are putting them in Herzog's camp.

 

Ageless Democrat

(80 posts)
5. I'm putting them there - not all MKs agree with Likudniks
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:39 PM
Apr 2015

and Moshe Kahlon should be ashamed of himself for aligning with the right-wing fruitcakes again.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Kulanu is one of the five parties that recommended Likud
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:41 PM
Apr 2015

They are meeting right now jockeying for significant positions in the cabinet.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:52 PM
Apr 2015

Netanyahu's remarks in an interview with the NRG website - which is owned by casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and tied with the settler newspaper Makor Rishon - were a last-minute attempt to pull right-wing voters away from Habayit Hayehudi.

"I think that anyone who moves to establish a Palestinian state and evacuate territory gives territory away to radical Islamist attacks against Israel," Netanyahu said. "The left has buried its head in the sand time and after time and ignores this, but we are realistic and understand."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
8. The hasbara is straining so hard you would imagine
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

it is about to give birth to a three-hundred pound settler in full Likud attire.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. George HW Bush: Read my lips: no new taxes
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:12 PM
Apr 2015

And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, ‘Read my lips: no new taxes.’

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

Politicians say a lot of things when they are trying to get elected.

Mosby

(16,334 posts)
16. The poster you replied to is defending HW Bush
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:45 PM
Apr 2015

Claiming that he didn't raise taxes when he obviously did and broke his campaign promise*.

Would you like to defend him as well?

Please proceed RDO.

*

And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, ‘Read my lips: no new taxes.


 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
18. Poor Mos. A factual reply is not defense or endorsement.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 06:25 PM
Apr 2015

Your own non-linked whine states that. "Read my lips: no new taxes."

He didn't create new taxes, but he did raise the old ones.


So, once again, a factual reply is not defense or endorsement.

A clumsy grade-schooler could have caught that.

Mosby

(16,334 posts)
19. I thought the text I bolded would be sufficient to explain why azur was wrong
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:36 PM
Apr 2015

See, he didn't just say he was not going to create NEW taxes, he also said in the same speech that he would not raise any taxes, something you already admitted he did.

...I'm the one who will not raise taxes


And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no


At the end of June, Bush released a statement stating that "it is clear to me that both the size of the deficit problem and the need for a package that can be enacted require all of the following: entitlement and mandatory program reform, tax revenue increases, growth incentives, discretionary spending reductions, orderly reductions in defense expenditures, and budget process reform."[12] The key element was the reference to "tax revenue increases" now being up for negotiation. An immediate furor followed the release. The headline of the New York Post the next day read "Read my Lips: I Lied."[13] Initially some argued that "tax revenue increases" did not necessarily mean tax increases. For example, he could mean that the government could work to increase taxable income. However, Bush soon confirmed that tax increases were on the table.[14]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
20. I feel very embarrassed for you.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:03 PM
Apr 2015

So once again, a factual reply is not a defense or endorsement.

Your splaining is suffering big time.


Now back to the reality that you want to divert from.

"Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state."
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Parliamentary system is much different than the US system
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:51 AM
Apr 2015

When Bush raised taxes, he remained President and he had enough votes in Congress to pass the compromise.

Netanyahu's coalition is explicitly racist and committed to continuing the occupation indefinitely. Even if he had the inclination to negotiate a deal in good faith (his entire public record says he has no such inclination) his government would collapse the nanosecond word got out about it.

He ran a pro-apartheid campaign--now he's stuck with that mandate. He poisoned the well, and now has to drink from it.

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