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http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/occupation-becomes-apartheidTHE LAW OF MILITARY OCCUPATION
Under international law and Section III of the Geneva Conventions of 1949, a conquering army becomes an occupying power once military operations have ceased. The occupying power has the duty to restore public order and safety and protect the local civilian population. Under Article 49, it cannot seize or annex any part of the territory occupied or forcibly deport civilians, nor can it permanently transfer its own citizens into the occupied territory. It must also relinquish control of the occupied territory and return it to civilian authority and control as soon as reasonably possible once order is restored.
The US conducted one of the most difficult military occupations in history at the end of World War II after it had defeated the combined Axis Powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan. Despite the bitterness of the conflict, the US restored public order and safety and took less than eight years to rebuild the infrastructure and civilian democratic institutions of all three countries and return each to sovereign democratic rule. The US didn’t seize or annex the sovereign territory of these three countries, it didn’t deport civilians, nor did it transfer portions of its own civilian population into the three countries it occupied. The US post-World War II occupations are models of how military occupations should be conducted, and today, Germany, Italy, and Japan, all former bitter enemies of the US, are healthy, prosperous democracies, and strong allies.
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)They are my favorites.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)His interest in the Israel-Palestine issue came from his father’s involvement flying Jewish refugees from around the world to the new state of Israel in 1948-49. David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister called his father “the Irish Moses” because of his exploits, hence the name of Maguire’s blog site — www.irishmoses.com'
I would put good money that he knows the situation a little better, as do many untraveled human rights activists, than some Aliyah tourist: getting a freebee from the state of Apartheid.
King_David
(14,851 posts)An oxymoron.
Do you know what the term means?
LOL
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)you have a hard time finding that button.
Perhaps you need a primer in problem solving?
procon
(15,805 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)How many times have I read that very thing?
"You're not one of us."
"You can't comment."
"You are disqualified from I/P..." Yeah, some fluttering heart wrote that little gem to me.
I don't know if one understands just how fucking stupid and childish one looks when they attempt that kindergarten bullshit.
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Iliyah
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)than some trolls.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Which is pretty much all of them.
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)in full: John Dugard Bio
John Dugard (born in 1936 in Fort Beaufort) is a South African professor of international law. He has served as Judge ad hoc on the International Court of Justice and as a Special Rapporteur for both the former United Nations Commission on Human Rights and the International Law Commission. His main academic specializations are in Roman-Dutch law, public international law, jurisprudence, human rights, criminal procedure and international criminal law. He has written extensively on South African apartheid.
http://www.in.com/john-dugard/biography-145695.html
FarrenH
(768 posts)"The Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa (HSRC) has released a study indicating that Israel is practicing both colonialism and apartheid in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). "
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"The HSRC commissioned an international team of scholars and practitioners of international public law from South Africa, the United Kingdom, Israel and the West Bank to conduct the study. The resulting 300-page draft, titled Occupation, Colonialism, Apartheid?: A re-assessment of Israel's practices in the occupied Palestinian territories under international law, represents 15 months of research and constitutes an exhaustive review of Israel's practices in the OPT according to definitions of colonialism and apartheid provided by international law."
We South Africans know Apartheid when we see it. That's why many veterans of the struggle against Apartheid here who have visited the OT call it "Apartheid", and in several cases "worse than Apartheid" (this from black South Africans who lived under, and fought, Apartheid).
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's from the same interview.
He also throws in some healthy doses of Hamas apologist hasbara.
"Hamas charter means practically nothing."
That's probably the #1 talking point for the Hamas apologists.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)NOAM CHOMSKY: Many reasons. Take, say, the term "apartheid." In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid. To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by "apartheid" you mean South African-style apartheid. What’s happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There’s a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce. It was 85 percent of the workforce of the population, and that was basically their workforce. They needed them. They had to sustain them. The bantustans were horrifying, but South Africa did try to sustain them. They didn’t put them on a diet. They tried to keep them strong enough to do the work that they needed for the country. They tried to get international support for the bantustans.
The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just don’t want them. They want them out, or at least in prison. And they’re acting that way. That’s a very striking difference, which means that the apartheid analogy, South African apartheid, to the Occupied Territories is just a gift to Israeli violence. It’s much worse than that. If you look inside Israel, there’s plenty of repression and discrimination. I’ve written about it extensively for decades. But it’s not apartheid. It’s bad, but it’s not apartheid. So the term, I just don’t think is applicable.
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to bullshit the I/P forum with misleading hasbara.
Good catch.
