I think that most of them have, at some point, experimented with same-sex contact as children, without actually being gay or bi as adults, and now they feel deeply ashamed of it.

Or they have awoken from erotic, same-sex dreams (haven't we all?) and instead of properly processing it, they've become deeply ashamed.

And they've turned this shame outwards.

I call this The Neil Horsley Effect.


See:

Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing
Reported by Ellen - May 6, 2005

Last night, anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex. Updated with audio!

At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it."

"Is it true?" Colmes asked.

"Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."

AC: "You had sex with animals?"

NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."

AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so."

NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"

AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?"

NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."

Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and "and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm saying?"

Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."

More:
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/05/06/bizarre_sex_habits_of_the_extreme_rightwing.php


Also:

ask dr-robert
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According to Reinisch, 1990, over half of all six and seven year old boys have engaged in sex play with other boys, and more than a third of them with girls, while more than a third of six and seven year old girls have engaged in such play with both other girls and with boys. This play includes playing doctor, insertion of objects, and attempts at intercourse. Reinisch views such play as part of a normal progression from the sensual elements of bonding with parents, to self-masturbation, and then to sex play with others. By the age of eight or nine, according to Reinisch, children become aware that sexual arousal is a specific type of erotic sensation, and will seek these pleasurable experiences through various sights, self-touches, and fantasy, so that earlier generalized sex play shifts into more deliberate and intentional arousal.

More:
http://askdrrobert.dr-robert.com/childhood%20sexuality.html

They have done this study with bigots... People saying they aren't racist and then using the subliminal word suggestion with the picture.... Those who say they aren't bigots, are the same one's who, in the study ended up having negate impressions of different ethnic groups.

In this case, they said "me" and them pictures of different people that were to be categorized into gay/ straight columns... What is a fallacy with the study, IMO, is the pictures they r using r more than likely highly stereotypical, modern conceptions of what gay or straight looks like.

The more pertinent study, I think, was the one that hooked people up to (I forget what type of brain machine) and then had them looking over pics... Those very "straight" people has more sexual desires towards similar gender than their own.

The other study that was interesting, dealing with pics and subliminal mind items was a study of similar people with different colorored tops... There were different people, but the woman with the red top, was thought of as more hot than the same picture of her in a blue shaded top.

The subliminal conscience is an interesting place to do a lot of studies. I think that if our society wasn't a bullish, piece of junk with preconceived notions of masculinity and femininity and didn't place such a high stakes value on those identities, people would feel much more free and able to just be whoever they need to be. Also, I think all humans have shades within them. I love my husband very much. I've also kissed a girl, and it was hot and very sexually charged and exciting. I think we all have shades of normal human emotional connections to one another. I think women can get away with exploring their sexual desires a bit more freely these days due to that whole "male fantasy of girl on girl and hoping they get to watch and participate (at least while they are young--not so much if u are older and wanting to live with ur S/O and children in a stuff shirt neighborhood). But even that is probably more acceptable to people than 2 dads.... I think homosexual males are more frequently on the end of attacks and targeted for hate.

Any guy who says they don't know if another dude is hot or not, is lying they their teeth! Otherwise, how would they know what their "competition" is looking like?

"The more pertinent study, I think, was the one that hooked people up to (I forget what type of brain machine) and then had them looking over pics... Those very "straight" people has more sexual desires towards similar gender than their own."

Actually, that study measured arousal with a penile plethysmograph (which measures penile enlargement), not any kind of EEG/fMRI brain measure.

Pun intended.

Ugh.

homophobics are really gay. What I do know is that they seem to obsess about what other people are doing in their bedrooms. It seems like many of them are constantly thinking about it and worry over it. I don't know what to call it, but it sure is a weird way to lead your life. With many of them, it was the churches they were exposed to growing up. People who are secure about themselves don't worry about how others have consensual sex.

I usually just hang out around the home page and don't go to many forums and I rarely post - just read. I didn't even know I was in the LGBT group at first.

We appreciate our straight allies very much.

To posters demanding to know why it's offensive to say homophobes are "secret" LGBT. The analogy in your OP shows why it's absurd.

generally known as homophobia.

And that none of them are logical, or organic based.

Clearly, it is primarily a culturally induced psychopathology, and people that suffer from this debilitating mental illness simply do not have well developed self-awareness skills that would enable them to "weed out" of their cognitive processes many or most of the culturally instilled superstitions that cause them to think/act irrationally.

In a nutshell, some people simply don't, or can't, think deeply enough to even be able to understand why they are wasting their time hating others for no real reason.

This might explain why homophobia is almost exclusive to conservative personality types.

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>>> It relieves heterosexuals of their bigotry and further demonizes gays as 'pathetic and self-loathing.'>>>

You nailed it right here. The argument itself is homophobic. It both denies the existence of heterosexism and further stigmatizes its victims.

Its premise is : everything associated w. 100% heterosexuality is, by definition , healthy.

It's bullshit..... and malevolent bullshit at that.

outright hatred and then we're supposed to claim them for our team? WTF? Then, everyone gets to say shit like, "Rush must really be gay...snicker, snicker!" (Like being gay is some kind of f'ing joke). It's just wrong on so many levels.

And this offensive.

the bit in the NYT went around in at least a half dozen different threads, and many started by people I thought would know better. I just get more bitter than I already am.Most homphobes are hets,and those who argue otherwise are flaming assholes.

I think it's the same OP but not sure

One didn't have any responses. I just find it offensive. I know this will likely piss off a few people, but...this is, IMO, some of the same shit I see as a Jew when the Holocaust and Hitler come up. See, Hitler was a "secret" Jew (alledgedly had a Jewish grandfather), thus his absolute hate for the Jewish people was based on his own secret shame; translation: the Jews brought it (the Holocaust) on themselves. I mean how could little Adolph really hated the Jews, it isn't like there was a HUGE culture of anti-Semitism in pre-WWII Europe, it just didn't exist...oh wait...yes, it did! Then wouldn't the likely conclusion be he was a product of his environment moreso than a "self-loathing Jew?"

I see the similarities when this discussion comes up when someone makes a homophobic remark and "suddenly," s/he is a homosexual (leaving out the possibility of bisexuality all together). It really is starting to grate my nerves.

I replied if you are homophobic...
you're probably strait

Seriously, why do people go to such extremes to absolve others of bigotry?!