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Fran Lebowitz on Homosexuality. (Original Post) Smarmie Doofus Aug 2012 OP
Well, thats one way of looking at it. William769 Aug 2012 #1
I really like her, though I don't necessarily agree with everything she says here. closeupready Aug 2012 #2
Yup...it's about equal access... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #3
I like her too but this is a classic case of engaging mouth without engaging brain. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #4
Thanks for that. It's important to bear witness closeupready Aug 2012 #5
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
2. I really like her, though I don't necessarily agree with everything she says here.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:17 PM
Aug 2012

But I don't agree with anyone 100% of the time, so that's not saying much.

Her views generally are very liberal and progressive and democratic, and on gay rights, as well, so she's a lovely woman for all that.

More specifically, the military and marriage CAN be confining and restrictive as she implies - they can also be enriching and fulfilling. But to be denied these personal experiences in advance by nothing more than bigotry is about as medieval as you can get, and so while I may not ever serve in the military, it should be an experience that every gay person should have the option of choosing, if they wish.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
3. Yup...it's about equal access...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:24 PM
Aug 2012

And because she finds them confining and restrictive doesn't mean other people do.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
4. I like her too but this is a classic case of engaging mouth without engaging brain.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:08 AM
Aug 2012

Her comments are better suited for a comedy routine.

If she knew anyone, as I do, who had their life turned upside down and ruined by "don't ask don't tell" she would hang her head in shame for those stupid comments.

I have a friend who was enlisted in the Navy, earned a spot in an officer program and was being sent to school on a full ride scholarship.

He came home from class one day to find an NCIS agent waiting for him. Apparently, one of his buddies from when he was stationed in Italy was being investigated and the NCIS found some letters in a locker. The Navy reached out half way around the world to fuck with my friend.

The Navy started discharge procedures just as don't ask was being implemented. It was eventually determined that he could stay in - but no scholarship and no officer program. He could remain enlisted with the word "homo" in his file. He was told he would never make any decent rank even as enlisted.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
5. Thanks for that. It's important to bear witness
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:10 AM
Aug 2012

when discussion of such things comes around, as it has here.

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